in their meeting, and that their converstation had nothing to do with what would happen in the s unittesrs later. >> jacoby: it was known toce ok in 2014 there was potential for russian disinformation campaigns on facebook. fo yes. and there were disation campaigns from a number of fferent countries on facebook. you know, disinformationre campaigns regular facet of facookery abroad. and... i mean, yeah, technically that should have led to a learning experience. i just don't know. >> jacoby: there was plenty that was known about the potential downsides of social media and facebook-- you know,otential ar disinformation, potential for bad actors ase. were these things that you just weren't paying attenon to, or were these things that were kind of conscious choices to kind of say, "all right, we'na kind of abdicate responsibility from those things and just keep growing?" >> i definitely think we've been paying attention to the things w thknow. and one of the biggest challenges here is that this is really an evving set of threats and risks. we had a big effort around scams. we had a big effor