are we headed for universal health care? second of all, why was the various state insurance departments not involved in the process prior to the affordable health care? my third question is -- do you know anything about ohio's magi? i may be saying that wrong, so i will spell it. m a g i. also, is there a possibility that our politicians could be regulating hospital billing practices and letting us know how much we are charged for various services? take you so much. -- thank you so much. guest: some people believe that obama care represents universal health care because, as the previous caller noted, everyone is now required to pay insurance or face fines. there are a variety of extremes in getting that coverage, you might get it through medicaid or private insurance tax credits. it depends on how you define universal health care, but certainly it is a law that help -- attempts to achieve that in several ways. second, state insurance departments are heavily involved in regulating the insurance. and they were before the passag

in the cost of the health care in the us are there outrageous and people don't care they don't have access to basic health care here in the u.k. you've got up until recently universal health care you have the n.h.s. which is the jewel of the post-war welfare state you could say. but is it true if you look at the economics of health care for a second if you're trying to deliver health care which means a lot of pills a lot of bandages a lot of scalpels a lot of stuff a lot of doctors is the best the government go out into the market and buy stuff on a wholesale basis and then deliver the savings to the health care user in other words. by breaking it up and by having all these competing special groups privatized groups by definition they're going to compete with each other and drive costs up i mean isn't the point of having government backed health care that it's cheaper so you know. speak on the little bit no absolutely you know and that was the original vision is a national system and you touched upon you know national procurement on the n.h.s. needs to a lot better but basically in h.s. isn't so much a monopoly it's what we call a monopsony it's you know it's it co

so, it is happening now is that when we talk about the universal health care system, canada has it butthen there are a lot of people that are covered by universal health care because it is a one single-payer by the government that we are running to the high year efficiencies and we have a lot of problems in terms of people waiting to be at least six or eight months and then during that time, here's a lot of people having their ailments complicated for people dying. there are a lot of things that is stopping them from getting access to the best medicine. so, even the canadian health care system which has been proposed to be imitated here in the united states has a lot of problems and it would be in many ways to implement that system in the united states because the histories are very different in demint devotees to people here to get and that mentality is not like that and other countries in which people basically take what they are given. so there, we find an issue so there are a lot of problems and the canadian system. so, we go back to europe and we find similar situation in which pe

it's awful that universal health care was not at the table. cus of the senate finance committee. that's the awful part. but the things we're talking about right now and the things that are actually happening yesterday and today as we move into the full implementation of obamacare, no, it's not a dirty little secret and not awful and i take issue with what mr. moore was writing about in the "new york times." what's awful is the right-wing republican governors denying their own citizens a chance to get health care. that's the awful part of it all. zerlina maxwell and ruth connor, thank you for being with us. >>> up next, the new progressive mayor of new york city takes a beating for his message on income and equality. and this time, the attack is not from the usual suspects. before you settle for another ordinary mattress, isn't it time you discovered the sleep number bed? because only the sleep number bed offers dual air technology that lets two people find the perfect balance of comfort and support for their bodies. their sleep number setting.

. >>> indo nia is rolling out a universal health care scheme, but hospitals are struggling to cope withber of patients. and just days before the australian open begins, a big shock in the opening event ahead of this year's first grand slam. ♪ >>> indonesians are signing up for the country's first ever universal health care program. the scheme is available to more than 120 million people and will provide coverage to more than 230 million in the next five years, but the huge numbers are putting unprecedented pressure on hospitals. >> reporter: if this boy was born one week earlier, his parents would have faced severe financial problems. the baby needs therapy, but since he was born after january 1st, his health care costs are being covered by the go, much to the relief of his father who doesn't earn much. >> translator: when i came to the hospital, i made a down payment in cash but officials helped me to get the new health card and all of the money was refunded. i'm extremely happy and proud that poor people like me are assisted in this way. >> reporter: thousands of people are signing up

health care system? >> i actually really like the health care law. i think that it's a step for america to join the 30 or so nations that all have universal health care. >> from a medicine perspective, it's not. i can't imagine what it's like when you have to go to a hospital and have something done. >> i think not enough money is kind of going towards social programs to help people in lower democratic status get health care. >> i'm a freelance employee who couldn't afford it prior to obamacare, so i think it is tremendous. >>> the u.s. health care system is heading into one of its most monumental years since the 1960s. now one of the leaders in this changi changing marketplace is the cleveland clinic. president obama has called it a role model of health care delivery. we have the ceo of the cleveland clinic. toby, great to have you on the program. >> nice to be here, susie. >> now that the affordable care act is here, a lot of people are wondering about quality of care and cost. is care going to be better, worse, the same, and is it going to cost us more? >> it started out to do three things. one is to improve quality. i think the transparency comin

the problems with obamacare will actually help or hurt progressives that would like to see universal health care in the future? >> i think ully it hurt them. id know there are something have aggressists think that obamacare if that doesn't work then there wirl be a point of can politicians would just back away from it. there is a lot at risk here. >> that is dr. robert field, drexel university of public health. thanks for being with us tonight. >> happy to be here. >> downtown happy make its final return. we're dressing up for the occasions e-occasion. more after, soof this >> well, grab your slick gloves and your-- your silk gloves and your top hats. downton abb is back on pbs. some lucky fans have already gotten a sneak peek. "america tonight" went to watch the show, has taken this country by storm. >> it's been three years since the british television hit downton abbey got dual citizenship becoming part of the american landscape. the turn of the century upstairs, downstairs story of an airs tanaris aristocratic family. >> there is an ongoing fascination with things british and people who have

the first question is, are we headed for universal health care ? variouswhy was the eight insurance departments not involved in the process prior to the affordable health care? my third question is, do you magi?anything about ohio's possibility there a that our politicians can regulate the hospital billing practices and let us know how much we are charged for various services? thank you so much. >> i will just run down the line with some of your questions. some believe obama care represents a movement toward universal health care. everyone is now required to have insurance or pay a fine. you can get it through private insurance, it depends on how you define universal health care but certainly it is a law that attempts to achieve that in a variety of ways. some of them are working heavily with the federal government in order to implement this law. others have not been as involved. magi issue in ohio is something i'm not particularly aware of because i cover the federal government, but i would encourage her to reach out to her insurer in ohio who woul

the funds will be used to provide universal health care and improve the struggling energy sector. >> myanmar has not been eligible for development loans. >> miners in indonesia lost their jobs because many have closed down because of a government export ban on raw minerals. it filed a lawsuit and demanded that the restricted be lifted. we have a report for a mine. it looks like ordinary soil. but this is one of indonesia's main export products. it's the raw material for aluminium. all of indonesia's minerals was exported to china. not any more. the mine closed down. more than 1,000 workers were sent home. nearly all the villagers lost their income. it brought a salary, electricity, roads and a booming equality. >> we hope the government will reconsider the regulation. it's a part of indonesia. >> mountains ready to be exported to china, words $20 million u.s. due to the ban this revenue will be lost. economists predict that indonesia's national mining industry will suffer. mining companies are forced to process raw minerals before exporting so the countries will get more revenue and

the problems with obamacare will actually help or hurt progressives that would like to see universal health care in the future? >> i think ul ly it hurt them. id know there are something have aggressists think that obamacare if that doesn't work then there wirl be a point of can politicians would just back away from it. there is a lot at risk here. >> that is dr. robert field, drexel university of public health. thanks for being with us tonight. >> happy to be here. >> downtown happy make its final return. consider this: the news of the day plus so much more. >> we begin with the government shutdown. >> answers to the questions no one else will ask. >> it seems like they can't agree to anything in washington no matter what. >> antonio mora, award winning and hard hitting. >> we've heard you talk about the history of suicide in your family. >> there's no status quo, just the bottom line. >> but, what about buying shares in a professional athlete? >> well, grab your slick gloves and your-- your silk gloves and your top hats. downton abbey is back on pbs. some lucky fans have already gotten a sneak

health care security ordinance. i wanted to take this opportunity to thank the mayor, his staff, and the health -- universal health care council for the recommendation that essentially agrees with with what we have indicated or along with which is that our law in san francisco is compatible with federal law. the second point that i would note, and is something that is very important, is that as we continue the implementation of the affordable care act, there is an issue that remains, and it's an issue that actually becomes an even bigger issue in san francisco. because of changes in federal law, the hoop hole that was tried to be closed -- we tried to close a number of years ago and which unfortunately was not closed, the issue of that loophole becomes an even bigger issue because the change in federal regulations makes it impossible for a number of people who were previously able to use health care reimbursement accounts to access health insurance to be able to do that. what that means is that access to health care, because of the existence of this loophole, will be a much bigger issue in san francisco. and to the ext

we've been talking about universal health care building on a world-class city and this our way to successg to make sure that san francisco is a home for >> so what brought you out here for the bike ride today? >> i grew up in san francisco but i have been living in new york. i wanted to see what san francisco is doing with infrastructure. >> cities are where people are living these days. the bay area is doing a lot with construction and the way to change the world starts here. >> we are about to take a bike ride. we have 30 cyclist. i'm really excited to hit the road and see what the city has in store. >> i definitely recommend it to people. it's a fun afternoon and you learn so many things. >> this is so much fun. i go to parts of the city that i don't come to. this will make the city a more susta >> i have 2 job titles. i'm manager of the tour program as well as i am the historyian of city hall. this building is multifaceted to say the very least it's a municipal building that operates the city and county of san francisco. this building was a dream that became a reality of a man by the

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are we headed for universal health care? thend of all, why was various state insurance departments not involved in the process prior to the affordable health care? my third question is -- do you know anything about ohio's magi? i may be saying that wrong, so i will spell it. m a g i. a possibility that our politicians could be regulating hospital billing practices and letting us know how much we are charged for various services? take you so much. some people believe that obama care represents universal health care because, as the previous caller noted, everyone is now required to pay insurance or face fines. there are a variety of extremes in getting that coverage, you might get it through medicaid or private insurance tax credits. it depends on how you define universal health care, but certainly it is a law that help -- attempts to achieve that in several ways. second, state insurance departments are heavily involved in regulating the insurance. some of them are working heavily with the federal government to implement this l

. >> we cannot get to universal health care which i believe is both a core democratic value and an im perative for our country. >> all right. wayne, reid, sebelius, obama, hillary clinton all for a single yer system, how did they get this passed? >> well, eric, i disagree. i don't think this is a conspiracy to get to a single payer system that this was hatched as some kind of front running to get to it. it's too complicated. it's too -- to think this is a conspiracy among all of these people like nancy pelosi and them to get to a single payer system is giving them too much credit. we're talking about idiocy, ideological idiocy. these are people who want socialism, want all of that but they're not conspiring to get to it through this method. they're just dumb to get -- they didn't get there this way. now the fact that they're is logically committed to it, they're going to try like hell to get to a single payer system. is it bad for the rest of us? yes. look at the amount of waste and fraud we already have in the system. this is going to coit us to a huge fraud. >> go ahead. >> i'll ans

sounding pretty clinical and dry because it's damn near impossible to talk about food stamps or universal health care frankly without talking about morality or at least it should be our i mean what could be more moral than helping struggling mothers put food on the table. in reality both conservatives and liberals see the world through the lens of morality they just have different understandings of what morality is and conservatives just happen to live in a moral universe where cutting unemployment benefits is a good thing and cutting down on tax evasion that is allowing more tax evasion. is also a good thing joining me reducing tax evasion excuse me is a bad thing join me now for more on this is my pap and tonio attorney and host a ring of fire radio. radio dot com pap welcome back. great you know i'm not joking pap the r. and c. is actually talking about making the helping out tax cheats as part of the twenty fourteen platform are they serious about what's going on here well they are you talk about this is this is gray poupon billionaire morality this this issue you bring up i think tells the story

g >> the time has come for affordable universal health care. >> and health care is an issue hannity andinue to debate. >> you and your cronies in the government do this kind of stuff all the time. >> you want to be let out of here, you're welcome to go. >> listen, sean, i don't have anything to apologize for. not to you or anyone. >> this is about the systemic dismantling of this country. i'm only 35 years old, i've never been interested in politics. you have awake ped a sleeping giant. >> this is not what the constitution wrote. this is not a welfare state. it should not be a welfare state. >> do we want to be a freedom society or do we want to be a nanny state? cradle to grave. >> freedom is a big part of your program. >> i will put america's freedom up against your tyranny that would force women to wear burqas. >> the real answer is freedom. ♪ >> when you look at the words our founding document, where endowed by our creator, not by government. >> it is our turn to stand up and to speak out. >> i think this is a major turning point as americans stand up and say to their politicians en

obamacare is one of those, have universal health care, so there is a safety net, but the problem is, transfer payments alone do not work. this is where republicans are right. you do have to refurbish the economy and make work pay. i believe in increasing the minimum wage. but you also have to increase the ability for people to do entrepreneurship and not worry about business regulation and that, because it is a drag. there is a package if the two sides would sit down and work together that you can come up with, which is a little of both sides. it would actually make the most sense. now, with some of the bigger picture stuff, we have to do better on exports. i think we can. free trade is generally good, unless it in fringes on sovereignty, where, like equal rights, and an strong environmental protection. trade agreements are not a bad thing. you just have to be very, very careful with how you put them into effect. it contributes to political stability and economic stability. in the countries that partake. at this particular point, i think the deficit is a problem, but i do not think i

saying that if the goal is universal health care, immigration status should be irrelevant. the los angeles times reported that lara plans legislation to allow people here illegally to get cover. federal law bars conch for undocumented immigrants, but lara is hes he will look at other options including medical. >>> the state health officials launch a website yesterday that has information on 30,000 products. cosmetics do not undergo the same rigorous testing as drugs, but many ingredients are linked to cancer. to reach the new database go to our website ktvu.com. >>> electric rates will go up for most customers in california under a plan that state regulators are considering. chronicle reports that they would charge different rates. the idea is to have people conserve energy in the afternoon when the demonstrate is greatest. customers could still choose a flat rate, but that rate would also rise. the cpuc is expected to vote on the plan later this year. it could take full effect by 2018. >>> luxury retailer neiman marcus is sending letters to customers that the store believe

. >> the time has come for affordable universal health care in this country. >> health care is an issues continue to debate. >> you and your cronies in the government -- >> you want to be let out of here, you're welcome to go. >> listen, sean. i don't have anything to apologize for. t not to you or anyone. >> this is about the dismantling of this country. i'm only 35 years old. i have never been interested in politics. you have awakened sleeping giants. >> this is not what the constitution wrote. this is not a welfare state. it should t not be a welfare state. >> do we want to be a freedom society or do we want to be a nanny state, cradle to grave? >> freedom is a big part of the program. >> i put america's freedom up against your tyranny forcing women to wear burqas. >> the answer is freedom. ♪ >> when you look at the words where we are endowed by our creator, t not by government. >> it's our turn to stand up and speak out. >> i think this is a major turning point as americans stand up and say to their politicians, enough. what do you think makes the fox news channel such a success? >>

guest: you talked about unions supporting universal health care rather than bargaining. we need to do both. forns are spokespeople working people generally. in our country, we have so many people without health care, it causes an inefficient system overall and to cause a strain on the system. that is what we were seeing, the system was so broken that we needed to figure out a different way of doing that. in terms of the democrats and republicans, unions need to support those candidates who stand with working people, whatever party they are in. that is an important principle to stick by around the country. host: do you endorse or give money to republican candidates? guest: we give money to both democrats and republicans. the decisions are made on a local, case-by-case basis. are relationships between elected officials and candidates and the unions there i local level. we do a scorecard, we look at the positions on the issues important to working families -- bor law,it is la minimum wage, trade policy. host: on union membership, here is "the wall street journal" with a char

health care, he wanted universal health care and he could not get republicans to come in on that. he said if i don't do it now, it's never going to happen. let's do it now. i think it is clear to me that history is going to report that, if not is his biggest mistake, his most momentous decision terms of uniting the country. the impact of that may be that he gets nothing done this term. both the way he ran for election, trying to make a referendum on mitt romney on and the health care decision. he faces a choice this year, does he run to try to win back the house, which is a very big longshot, or does he try to work with republicans? i don't see where it leads except maybe having his party do slightly better in the midterms. >> former secretary of state clinton is better off today in terms of her decision to arrive unless she finds a reason not to. whatever it might be. is she in a better position today than she was a year ago? >> the movement of the obama political family to her donors, activists, is extraordinary. the super pack that supported the president may become hillary cli

average life span is 83 years, the highest in the world, you would expect health care costs to dominate. remember, japan has universalcare. again, you would be wrong. japan spends only 8% of its gdp on health care, half the percent the united states spends. now look at education. in the very near future, for every japanese new born, japan will also have a centenarian, a man or woman who is 100 years old. # the low percentage of children also means fewer school students, less money spent on education. and, remember, japan has a strong school system and is a world leader in research and development. how does tokyo manage this? is it a welfare state? again, the answer is no. according to a group of 34 rich nations the average japanese worker faced a tax burden of about 31%, 4 percentage points lower than the group's average. a few other hidden benefits for japan. declining population means there is more space and land for every japanese citizen. remember, japan is a tiny country that packs in 127 million people. fewer people could well translate into a higher quality of life as well. these are fascinating points to cons

a state that has gone to great lengths to try to balance things, the highest minimum wage, universal health careersal preschool and universal afterschool. >> they still have a lot of work to do. >> the top performing school district. low bar. you are right. >> and the tech industry, some of the smartest people in the world, so there is no excuse. >> there is no excuse. that is another 10 segments. but the city is doing a lot to overcompensate. it is not even close to enough because of this extraordinary surge of success. the tech industry is still relatively small in terms of total number of workers in san francisco, so we have to put it in perspective, but it is so acute, the growth, and it is driving up rents, commercial, and vacancies are all but none, and obviously on the residential side, we had 1600 millionaires the day the ipo was announced, and they want to stay in san francisco, and they are buying up homes all over san francisco that were cheap, and now they are getting expensive. >> people are choosing to live in an urban environment. they like the city of san francisco and are choosi

are we headed for universal health care? nd of all, why was various state insurance departments not involved in the process prior to the affordable health care? my third question is -- do you know anything about ohio's magi? i may be saying that wrong, so i will spell it. m a g i. a possibility that our politicians could be regulating hospital billing practices and letting us know how much we are charged for various services? take you so much. some people believe that obama care represents universal health care because, as the previous caller noted, everyone is now required to pay insurance or face fines. there are a variety of extremes in getting that coverage, you might get it through medicaid or private insurance tax credits. it depends on how you define universal health care, but certainly it is a law that help -- attempts to achieve that in several ways. second, state insurance departments are heavily involved in regulating the insurance. some of them are working heavily with the federal government to implement this law.

obamacare, as it's called, the small island state of hawaii enacted a law to provide near universal health care coverage for its residents. 40 years later it has helped turn the aloha state into the health state. inside eden and love, a small boutique in honolulu, customers are looking for deals. >> good morning, thank you for call eden and love. >> but folks who work here actually may have the best deal of all. shop owner bryson dang offers health care benefits to his employees, all of his employees, including five who only work part time. >> for us, it's built into our business model where we are able to supply part time workers its medical. >> hawaii's health care law has been on the books since 1974. infinitesimal in fact, the aloha state is the first in the nation to set health care standards for workers. benefits valerie has been benefiting for a long time. she's always had health insurance. >> hawaii health care label requirements is one of the reasons our quality of life is so high here. you don't have bankruptcies because of medical bills. >> even so koenig decided to enroll in obamaca

people deserve here we are the only trillion sized country in the world that did not have universal health care system for all americans and citizens. i just have to say we are doing everything we can to make sure that the affordable care act works, the president has come forward and talked about t. and we have to just see this as a way, as one blip in the overall process, but it's working. thousands of people now being covered. and will be covered. host: the house is slated to vote this week on legislation to make health care.gov more secure. will you be voting -- guest: i got to see what they are talking about. if this is the republican-led effort, we have to really look because we have to -- the details of this. i haven't seen the details of it, but we have seen in the past efforts to undo and to repeal the affordable care act. and any effort that is going to undermine the affordable care act, undo it, or be a step toward repeal i'm not going to support. host: the 50th anniversary today of l.b.j.'s war on poverty that he declared in a joint session of congress on january 8, 1964. front page

ought to have universal health care, at least health insurance ought to be universally available.e percentage didn't like obamacare. that seems like a contradiction. >> there was also a survey of who these people would favor as a presidential candidate right now for 2016 and the winner is? >> governor christie but i have to say, this survey was taken before bridgegate. >> none of them were caught in the traffic in fort lee. >> you can safely say that. >> this survey was taken roughly the time the government was going into the shutdown? >> yes, that's right. even so, the entrepreneurs were optimistic about it. it probably knocked a few percentage points off their number and certainly raised their concern about the government interfering in their business. >> worry about washington was one of the things that did stand out here. great to see you. sue, down to you. >>> we are down about 28 points. when we come back, the biggest winners in today's downside trading. plus -- >> when we come back, a lawyer digs up a very different line of work in the graveyard. >> we have an informal mott

with it would be different from i have and the third is always believed you have to have a universal health care system, and i think we have made some progress towards that, but we have a lot of work to do. >> hello? there we go. from stanford university. in light of the recent budget deal, do you believe what is characterized a lot of the budget disagreement has been dissipated, or is that going to be a continuing factor in the budget discussion? the anger in congress is not dissipated because it is a relatively small group of people. that, it is not small. it is 80 members. i think the speaker has been pretty clear that he is not willing to be blackmailed or pushed around anymore, and i think that is really important, the victory with the budget deal was that we could actually have republicans and democrats talk to each other. it turns out the budget deal was not all that big a deal, but nonetheless, it was a big deal that they could agree on something. is what islem here going to happen to the far right and how much leverage they are going to be permitted to have. pelosi, she is going to have

would be different from others, and the third is i have always believed you have to have a universal health care system, and i think we have made some progress towards that, but we have a lot of work to do. >> [inaudible] hello? there we go. i am from stanford university. in light of the recent budget deal, do you believe what is characterized a lot of the budget disagreement has been dissipated, or is that going to be a continuing factor in the budget discussion? >> the anger in congress is not dissipated because it is a relatively small group of people. i should not say that, it is not small. it is 80 members. i think the speaker has been pretty clear that he is not willing to be blackmailed or pushed around anymore, and i think that is really important, the victory with the budget deal was that we could actually have republicans and democrats talk to each other. it turns out the budget deal was not all that big a deal, but nonetheless, it was a big deal that they could agree on something. so the problem here is what is going to happen to the far right and how much leverage they are going to b

husband's are commeco where it is a broader health policy statement, in u.k., where they have universal health careracefully. >> it was inartful, i can definitely see where the kellers are coming from. again, i don't necessarily like the tone. but if you look at the comments they couch it in the comment of respect, every person should go where they like. lisa certainly doesn't feel respected. but ms. keller also had had a double mastectomy. she is a cancer survivor herself, to say i also have a difference of opinion on end of life. lisa adams also has a pretty fervent following. >> she has 12,000 followers, she is in a hospital bed struggling with cancer. and these two have a huge microphone. and this is part of what bernard's point is, which is you have one who writes in the guardian, the other who writes his piece in "the new york times." and what is she supposed to do to get her voice out there? she does not feel respected if you read her twitter feed. >> but she has had an even ground because of the followers, the way they reacted to her. it sort of shows how the world has flattened. >> it is a

health care? is she for universal health care? where does she stand on workers rights, employ free choice act?and it's a lot tougher today on the middle clas than it was back in 2008. so would this be somewhat of a different campaign in your opinion, senator? >> well, you know, she will have to take positions an all of those issues. no one holds up the platter and says here's your nomination. hillary knows that. but the fact is she will go out and campaign hard and she'll take positions on all these issues so that the democrats who come to convention and decide to nominate will have the capability of understanding exactly who they're nominating. >> sure. "the washington post"/abc news poll has paul ryan leading among republicans. could he be p the one to chip away at hillary's lead? i mean, you've got paul ryan at 20%, jeb bush at 18%. he says he won't say anything about the race until later on in the year, obviously. chris christie has fall on the 13%. does this -- you know, karen, what do you make of this? >> i would love the see a debate between hillary clinton and any one of those men beca