my younger son, the one who lives in amsterdam, eric, says being the head of university of californiald be great, dad, but you can do a lot more and accomplish more by being at morehouse. i was there 12 years. david: 12 years. ok. so, while you were at morehouse you get an opportunity to get on the board of bank of america? walter: no, i did that in california. then i went on the board of the old bank located in san francisco. david: at one point, they said you should be the chairman of the board of bank of america, is that right? walter: that's right. it was not that simple, but that's right. david: did you want to be chairman of the board of bank of america? walter: i had no time to think about it. it came about so quickly as a result of a shareholders meeting in april of 2009. after the shareholders had put on the proxy agenda a proposition to separate the chair and ceo, as you know in most corporations, that is a combined position. the shareholder vote, it got the majority of the board to not have to accept that recommendation, but the -- the board did not have to accept that reco