sarah here, having me as an associate professor globalization at the university of antwerp embassy, see now. cuba as a professor at the catholic university of chicago in eastern dear congo, he focuses on natural resources and the environment. oh, and i should mention one more guest at the table is you, if you're watching this on youtube, see that box over there? we have a live stream producer waiting to get your comments to me so i can get him in the show. we can all be a part of this discussion. speaker discussion cream talks about 7 grams. like where'd you get the idea for this? well, in 2015 i was in eastern congo and was photographing outside of miners in the golden, cassandra mines in cuba, not cable. and i realized photographing it was my smartphones to where you know, extracting the romito walls and hiding my hands. jen product and i mean, i thought there was something to do about that. oh, i must have struck you in a sense of irony that that the very thing they were digging out of the rock there you were actually using in that moment to capture that moment. yeah, i mean, it was