let's talk to denis kenji kit curry he's a lawyer working on cyber security issues at the university of bremen dennis what's behind the u.s. government's mistrust of tech talk. so there has been a very long smaller political conflict in the technology sector and this conflict has also now been reopened and we all know that the relations between the u.s. and china have been strained for some times and they have been the use accusations of all this. off of the back of what way and u.s. communication technology the better off to talk in my opinion the next step and also possibly the last action of the u.s. government in this context it sounds like you're saying this is more about the u.s. versus china rather than us versus. tick-tock as a company so to speak can we can we trust can we trust take out when it says it's not political and wouldn't pass user data to beijing. i think that this question cannot be answered was 100 percent certainty but one thing is definitely to the er so it's not an espionage per se in my opinion and that's because also clear when you take a look at the user group offtake dot