takes the strong example of the university of chicago. en chris i chris iceberger got princeton to endorse. this mitch daniels president of purdue university. princeton undergraduate then institutes it at purdue. it radiates out. take as few people to push back. >> mara? >> i think it's going to radiate even more. even president obama has talked about this in one of his commencement addresses sometimes you are going to come up against ideas that you are -- that don't make you feel comfortable. >> you concede there has been a trend the other way. >> no doubt about it and it went too far and this is the corrective. and even the president has talked about how he didn't use these words but how ridiculous some of the safe spaces and trigger warnings got and, guess what? free speech is about confronting ideas that maybe make you uncomfortable or you disagree with. and that's the whole idea of going to college. >> nobody has done more to create the environment that made this possible, i would say, than president obama by constantly accusing middl

takes the strong example of the university of chicago. i chris iceberger got princeton to endorse. this mitch daniels president of purdue university. princeton undergraduate then institutes it at purdue. it radiates out. take as few people to push back. >> mara? >> i think it's going to radiate even more. even president obama has talked about this in one of his commencement addresses sometimes you are going to come up against ideas that you are -- that don't make you feel comfortable. >> you concede there has been a trend the other way. >> no doubt about it and it went too far and this is the corrective. and even the president has talked about how he didn't use these words but how ridiculous some of the safe spaces and trigger warnings got and, guess what? free speech is about confronting ideas that maybe make you uncomfortable or you disagree with. and that's the whole idea of going to college. >> nobody has done more to create the environment that made this possible, i would say, than president obama by constantly accusing middle americ

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is the message being communicated from the university of chicago the way you would like? the opportunity now to speak for your committee's work. >> no, to be perfectly honest, the university of chicago is deeply committed to academic freedom and to a robust and wide open freedom of expression. but the letter which was sent out by the dean of students in one sentence is basically, i think, been misconstrued. the letter says that the university doesn't approve of trigger warnings and that's been interpreted as meaning the university forbids trigger warnings and that's not true. all it means is that the university doesn't require individual faculty members to do that, but faculty members in their own academic freedom are perfectly free when they think it appropriate to warn students in advance if there is material they think individual students would find particularly sensitive. and similarly on the language about safe spaces, what the dean of students i think meant to say is university of chicago, itself, is not a safe space. it is a place where people are expected to confr

university of chicago played there. anybody know who the first person to win the heisman trophy was and where he went to school? obviously the answer is the university of chicago. jay berwanger. university of chicago is a founding member of the big ten football conference. they eventually -- here we see some action taking place out on stag field. the university of chicago is an interesting institution. i had the opportunity to spend some time there. the stadium fell into disrepair, and here you see a chart that shows the joseph raggenstein library that now stands. imagine this, if you can. they tore down their football stadium to build a library. true story. they actually did. they also left the big ten in 1946. it left room for another member to join the big ten to make up the full compliment of ten in 1949, michigan state university was admitted to the big ten. the university of chicago left. michigan state came in. they had a president who famously was known to observe that when i feel like exercising, i lie down aunt

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advance notice from professors when their curricula could promote add an verse response the university of chicagodo not cancel invited speakers because their topics might prove controversial, and we do not condone the creation of safe spaces. >> this is actually one of the best steps i've seen a university take to say, education, if done right, is actually going to be uncomfortable. >> the empire of academia strikes back however. michael roth president of wesleyan university told "the new york times" the ellison letter was a publicity stunt to coddle donors. >> he's actually creating a safe zone and that's a safe zone for racism homophobia sexism on his college campus. >> administrators at the university of chicago countered that they're embrace of free speech does not confer on anyone the freedom to threaten or harass megyn. >> i love jay ellison. i wish my kids were graduating sooner. they're like class of 2028. it's not soon enough. i want them there while jay is there, james. >> i think first really, megyn, you need to focus on something call the sats. >> but that nonsense about making a safe

we agreed on the university of chicago, because they are defending free speech on campus. en to somebody else's opinion. none of that at uc, university of chicago, i should say. jeff flock is there. give me more on the reaction to this move. >> reporter: no more "kumbaya" here at the u of c either, stuart, apparently. i want to put up a quote from one of the student government leaders though. there is pushback against this. here's what he had to say. he says incoming freshmen, they should be invited to participate with their whole severals, but instead -- selves, but instead they must check their compassion and experiences at the door. usually you get students and faculty kind of aligned together against the administration at most schools, but actually when you poll the faculty, take a look at these numbers. 62% of faculty say that this sort of thing, trigger warnings, has a negative impact on academic freedom. just 17% say it has a positive impact. kind of a realigning here on the campus as well. stuart: you know what, jeff? i think you need a safe zone if you're standing

the university of chicago had a laboratory where a lot of the basic work of plutonium was done and there were universities all over the united states, columbia, michigan, iowa state and berkeley and california and so on. all of which participated in various ways of the manhattan project. it was a massive under taking $2.2 billion which was a tremendous amount of money during the warrior years and not so much today, of course. and, the money was allocated without the knowledge of congress and even vice president truman did not know about it. it was conducted in a secret and there were secret cities here in oak ridge. they had to build a secret city that ended up housing 75 or 80,000 people. you could not get in or out going through security. we were fearful that the germans would get access to our technology. it was obvious that all this had to be done in secrets. it was. i mean people in the vicinity did not know what was going on. we had super secret projects. if you were hired and worked on the project, you only knew what your job was. you were not informed on what anybody else is doin

university of chicago played there. anybody know who the first person to win the heisman trophy was and where he went to school? obviously the answer is the university of chicago. he won the heisman trophy, university of chicago was a founding member of the big ten football conference. they eventually -- here we see some action taking place out on stag field. the university of chicago is an interesting institution. i had the opportunity to spend some time there. the stadium fell into disrepair and here you see a chart which shows the joseph library which know stands so imagine this, if you can, they tore down their football stadium to build a library. true story, they did. they also left the big ten in 1946 and it left room for another member to join the big ten to make up the full compliment of ten michigan state university was admitted to the big ten. university of chicago left, michigan state came in they had a president who famously was known to observe that when i feel like exercising, i lie down until the feeling g

says, they can debate it or walk away from it. >> david, you know, to robert's point, the university of chicagohe issue, put out a report and concluded it is not the proper role of the university to shield individuals who they find unwelcome and this was after studying the whole issue. other universities enacted similar policies. they say based on what the university of chicago -- >> i don't disagree with the way they went about it. this is relevant to me being in orientation or a class for freshmen. there is very, very concerning language in here. let's just think, if you're in the lbg community and you get a letter that says there's no safe places where individuals are at odds with their own, that is scary language. it's problematic. i just think there needs to be explanation behind it. >> what is interesting, the university of chicago has a safe space for the lgbt community and also they clarified this letter after the fact, robert, and said we don't want our professors to do a trigger warning if it's warranted. is this inconsistent or reassuring that they are not going crazy with this. they

obviously the answer is the university of chicago. jay berwanger won the heisman trophy at illinois university. a founding member of the big ten football conference. they eventually -- here we see some action takes place out on stagg field. the university of chicago's an interesting institution. i had the opportunity to spend sometime there. the stadium fell into disrepair and here you see a chart which shows the joseph reaganstein library which stands so -- imagine this if you can. they tore down their football stadium to build a library. true story. they actually did. they also left the big ten in 1946. and it left room for another member to join the big ten to make up the full compliment of ten. of course in 1949, michigan state university was admitted to the big ten. so the university of chicago left. michigan state came in. they had a president who famously was known to observe that whether i feel like exercising i lie down until the feeling goes away. so they were not big into the intercollegiate sports scene. however, in 1942, t

as if parting the heavens this mild looking academic jane ellison dean of students at the university of chicagons of free speech on college campuses regard as the biggest blow of the decade against the stifling effect of political correctness run a muck. in letter to the class of 2020 ellison touted the university's commitment to academic diversity warning freshmen rigorous debate, discussion and even disagreement may challenge you and even cause discomfort. in an era when liberal students across the country have sought and received the creation of save spaces, zones where they can be shielded from ideas they regard as hurtful to their psyche and demanded trigger warnings advanced notice from professors were they're curricula could prompt adverse emotional response the ellison letter served notice that the university of chicago isn't having any of it. we do not support so-called trigger warnings. we do not cancel invited speakers because their topics might prove controversial and we did not condone the creation of inter leck wal safe spaces where individuals can retreat from ideas and perspecti

so this development led to a second statement from the university of chicago. in 2014, the university president asked jeffrey stone again, a law school professor and a leading scholar of the first amendment, to chair a group that came up with a new set of principles that sounded an awful lot like the calvin principles. that report says it is not the proper role of the university to attempt to shield individuals from ideas and opinions they find unwelcome, disagreeable, or even deeply offensive. concerns about civility and mutual respect can never be used as justification for closing up discussions of ideas, because open and vigorous debate is an essential part of the university's mission. and this is the context in which chicago's dean of students wrote to the freshman board -- who were about to matriculate last week in the wetter that has -- letter that has been distributed to all of you today and made headlines around the country. the headlines august on trigger warnings, but the scope was much broader. you might think of the letter itself as a sort of gentle

. >>> the university of chicago getting a plus for flunking political correctness.he school telling students, there is no place for your safe place. should more schools do the same? t injured during this incident. >>> safe space and toss it. we do not condone the creation of intellectual safe spaces. there is hope for america. >> i think people should always be exposed to lots of different views and perspectives and be able to express their own. i think this is a good idea. >> david, an institution pushing back on safe spaces. >> i think it's safe to say safe spaces is a very good idea given the rise in cyber bullying, there should be this available to students. i'm all for it. >> they are pushing back on it. mercedes, your thoughts. >> david, you're the bully liberal. the intolerant left goes after those conservative speakers. we saw i the liberal academia. i think this is a bold and smart move by the university of chicago. >> i am on college campuses all the time. you wouldn't imagine things told to the students. they might h have to say and it might hurt them. >>

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. >>> the university of chicago getting a plus for flunking political correctness.telling students, there is no place for your safe place. should more schools do the same? >>> coming up, a college campus shocker. all opinions fall under free speech. if you >>> live from america's election headquarters in washington. good saturday morning. hillary clinton receiving her first national security briefing. this as the democratic nominee for president. that wrapped up moments ago with her departing the f.a. office in white plains, new york, not far from her home. >>> donald trump campaigning the battleground state of iowa today. he will speak with voters at iowa state fairgrounds at the second annual roast and ride moefl event. >>> a very sad story to tell but. one of nba's biggest stars dealing with a family tragedy. dwyane wade's cousin was shot and killed in chicago as she was pushing a baby stroller near an elementary school. she cass caught in the cross fire between two men apparently targeting someone else. police have no one in custody. the baby in the stroller was

so, about 10 years ago, the university of chicago, their admit rate was about 40%. and i think all of us here will agree that the university of chicago is a highly intellectual place and always has been. they -- over the years, they got rid of -- so, they had this very interesting application 10 years ago where they thought that, by asking students certain essay questions, they would find the right students for them. and they did, and it was a hard application, but if you really wanted to go there and you were that type of student, you know, it was a good application for you. they got rid of that application, and their application numbers have gone up, and so, all of a sudden now, 10 years later, i think they may be below 10% now. >> so they look more selective. >> they look more selective, but has the quality of education changed? >> not at all, right? so, i do think it's important for families to, as you say, give the unconditional support. nick and masashi, did you feel like, when you were applying and looking at schools, did your parents give you the sense that y

when they say choice, they don't mean southside of chicago, we build the university of chicago laboratory school and parents can choose which they mean you can go to high school that is in real trouble or the school next to it that is just like it except it is a newer holding. that is no choice at all. we want is for all children where initiative, courage, critical thinking and creativity are ordered and every kid has an adequate chance at a decent life, every kid is living a decent life, finding things that connect to that matter to them. i know it is possible because i have seen it not just with kids of the elite the kids in new york city where there have been initiatives taken, profoundly great schools are happening for ordinary kids. the problem is if we don't invest in that, if we don't care about it and we see the way things are is the way things are we can never get the equity or the schools we deserve. >> host: could you have written this book in 1968? >> guest: the book "demand the impossible!: a radical manifesto"? interesting way to think of it but i could not have made in 1968

jeff: lauren and nicole on the campus of the university of chicago, there would be no more trigger warnings would be no more safe spaces, that according to a letter sent to the incoming class of 2020 by the dean of students. here is a quote from that letter. letters, members of our community are encourage today speak, challenge and learn without fear of censorship, at times it may challenge you and even cause discomfort. that from the dean of students to the incoming freshman class. i tell you, this commitment to free speech at the ufc goes a long way. take a look at the university that she issued on the subject of free speech on campus. the report says and i quote, it is not the proper role of the university to attempt to shield individuals from ideas and opinions they find unwelcome disagreeable or offensive. conservative speakers like ben shapiro, remember his case in la, they tried to canningel appearance because students were protesting, some of his appearances around the country were canceled. to paul in chicago, he had severe protests that kept a lot of people from being able to hear

university of chicago this week, not doing it. ou come in here you have to be a big boy. >> you have to grow up, kimberly. >> i love university of chicago. >> gold digger. >> grave digger. >> gold. >> gold digger. >> panner. >> yes. >> whatever. >> miner. >> 49er fans. 49ers of the can't even think of the name. what's wrong with us? >> gold digger. >> i'm lost back in the days of joe montana, robby craig and charles daily and steve young. >> taylor, the most underrated receiver, jerry rice. >> all right. can we talk about steve wrung? >> what have you done for us lately? yeah, we said steve young, highly intelligent, prosecutor, got his law degree. anyway, back to the scary bird. this goes on to connect to the whole thing where you have to ban all the halloween costume, no one can be a sushi chef or angry birds because it offends someone. there's going to be nothing left to be but trump or hillary. >> this angry pilgrim looks furious. he's angry white man. maybe they should do away with that. what do you think, eric? >> i wrote a b

jeff flock is at the university of chicago and we're joined by katie. get people up to speed.ssor said, get ready. this is what universities are for to toe hear be intersection of different ideas. >> reporter: the dean of students sent a letter to the incoming class of 2020, that says we don't do trigger warnings or safe spateses and we don't allow people to have their speeches cancelled just because they're saying uncomfortable things like perhaps a conservative speaker who came in to depaul university across town and got essentially his protests all over the place that stopped his speech. we don't want to do that here at the ufc and we're not going to it. >> katie, this dean and professor, john boyer, right we don't cancel invited speakers because somebody is going to be offended. we don't support trigger warnings. that's heroic, especially at a time where i thought, and certainly when i went to college and it was uc berkeley where everybody was yelling at everybody, you're supposed to do that in college, listen to other people's side. >> i think this is amazing they're comi

cars.com >>> university of chicago telling new students suck it up. biasio of students sending out a letter thrort freshman we do not support so-called trigger warnings. >> we do not cancel invited speakers because their topics might be controversial and we do not condone the creation of intellectual safe spaces. jeff, are new a safe space to report this? >> apparently i'm not. even with a fox business microphone here, we are being treated pretty well at the u of c one of the world's most prestige just universities. that letter that i just read from pretty blunt. i want to give you another passage of that that was part, members of of 2020. our community are encouraged to speak write, listen, challenge, and learn without fear of censorship. at times this may challenge you and even cause discomfort. now the university saying that while a lot of other universities around the country have sought to minimize that discomfort that that's what education is all about. you may remember earlier this year the speaker ben shapiro, conservative journalist had proble

. >>> how the university of chicago is teaching their it's a bit unconvention al--- but makes a lot of sense it's a bit unconvention >>> it is a bit unconventional but it makes sense if you think about it. >> well, yes, i think it does. i'm checking it out right now. the city of chandler turning to crowd funding, which we see of so much of it, to complete a new community. it will be planted on the edge of veterans oasis park and it will be used to teach people sustainable garden techniques. >> we're going to teach people how to garden, how to build, how to install, how to maintain irrigation. we're going to teach them about water harvesting. we're going to do it with ourselves and our partners. >> they have to build a fence that will cost $9,000 and the with a 30-daytime line. >> so they are looking for donations. >> if you want to donate, we have a link on our website, fox10phoenix.com, click on seen on tv. >>> adot crews bringing some desert scenery back to shea boulevard. 1,000 plants, including 400 saguaros, my favorite cactus, was removed so the freeway can be widened. before ariz

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some years ago i went to a lecture by a lady at the university of chicago as a member of the public. i commented how i liked the pictures in -- [inaudible] penthouse more than playboy. gloria steinem's book has interestingly, i think, a picture of her from years ago. there is this thing of beauty that's important. it's really. everyone doesn't have it. i saw the movie 50 shades of grey, anger contaminated my sexuality when i was growing up. i didn't know what it meant, but why is it that i can see a dominatrix that i need to in almost every major city but not a sexual surrogate who can help me not die a virgin? rush limbaugh would make fun of that. oh, he made fun of -- >> [inaudible] >> my question is, how do you feel about my sincere statements? >> i think we'll take another question. [applause] >> good afternoon, panelists. so i have a question that's not about me or my personal drama. [laughter] my name is jennifer cross, i'm the lead organizer for just right chicago, and my question is directed mainly to lashonda. i was the one who was raised in a pentacostal background, so i ha

adamant defender of open expression everywhere and it's long over due and i'm not surprised the university of chicago started it. >> joy, somebody might say you just talked about the meanness of the campaign before and now you guys are praising it. there is a difference. intellectual to it. >> there are teachers nervous about the lectures because there might be reaction from a student. i think we've gone too far in the direction of not allowing intellectual debate. as long as colleges are careful not to allow harassment, which in the enter anytime age can happen. >> i love there is a real protest, people are politically engaged there is too much sensitivity deferring view. everyone should be respected but at the same time, when i was at notre dame, i loved when i heard someone from the far left versus right. let's see the debates. >> i got to go to school and one day i saw jesse jackson and the next day newt gingrich. it was great. and i went to both events. >> let's face it, hillary clinton started as a gold water republican girl and it was all of the years and the people she

the university of chicago has joined it. >> you just talked about the meanness of the campaign and now, you guys are praising but there is a difference being done with intellectual aptitude >> as the daughter of a college professor, i would say there are a lot of keepers -- teachers nervous about even the lectures they give because there may be a reaction from a student. i think we have gone too far in the direction of not allowing you have to balance the two of them. >> i think when i go back to college campuses, there is a real protest movement with people politically engaged but there is too much sensitivity sometimes. everyone should be respected but at the same time, i love what i heard from someone from the far left versus the far right. let's see the debates. >> one day, i saw jesse jackson coming and then the next day, newt gingrich. it was great that i went to both events. >> wellesley. it was the people she came in contact with that changed her. we all changed. >> is as close to the issue of diversity which is ideology and should it be a part of the diversity conversation in

the university of chicago -- >> great school. >> it is. letter to the incoming class, that letter says, in part, we do not condone the creation of intellectual safe spaces where individuals can retreat from ideas or perspectives at odds with their own. you know, the trend toward safe spaces, get away from me, get away from me. the university of chicago says forget about it, we're not going to do that anymore. >> i love it. isn't that leaps and bounds on the radio on the neil cavuto show? no safe spaces. we should put political correctness aside. that's what is so riveting about donald trump. >> that's what a university is for. >> exactly. when i'm on the air, i'll say things, and i think, should i have said that? the political correctness is driving us crazy. i think that's amazing that an american university did that. >> and it's a great school. >> i couldn't get into that school in a hundred years. >> they also said they will not reject speakers who may be controversial. >> that's great. you know your accent makes me feel inferior, and i'

and that is, the endowment for the university of chicago, it is $7.5 billion. a private university, not a public one, that is subject to the whims of public opinion and politics that a lot of state universities that have you know, kind of caved to political correctness on campus are subject to. so they also, i think they get 31,000 applicants for the pressure man class. they accept less than 7% of them. place in demand. melissa. melissa: great story. thank you so much, jeff. good stuff. david: what a great story. we like this one too. a video tribute to veterans going viral. a sailor zare ren made racking up millions of views. group of navy officers surprise ad world war ii vet. with this. [♪ david: well the vet is 98-year-old, ernie johnson. melissa: there he is, how sweet. david: he became to weak to visit uss iowa. the group came to him. it has been viewed at least four million times on facebook. this guy was in one of ships bombed in pearl harbor, 41. he was on the ship where the armistice was finally signed with the japanese. he saw both beginning and the e

>> that is a black community, heart of chicago to give a speech to the university of chicago in a campus, predominantly african-american to make that argument. the campus was overrun. and it was not a safe environment. >> cory and kayleigh, would you acknowledge that black communities all over the country are not monolithic? if he tried to do that somewhere else it wouldn't necessarily happen? >> he wasn't allowed to make a speech in chicago. >> so go to dallas. go to los angeles. >> 31% african-american. you know what you're talking about? not the details of what you're talking about, but where he's giving the presentation. >> it matters. >> when he tries to go to give it -- >> i just tried to tell you it's not monolithic. >> so whose fault was it that -- >> it's not all black people's fault. >> i didn't say it was. >> honest about the venue at the university of chicago, it was not to go there to speak to an audience of black folks there, but a predominantly white audience like before. >> the audience was not white. >> yes, it was. >> it was open to everybody. >> everything is open to e

chicago because you are afraid for your life. first of all he's had protests had gone -- gotten pretty ugly in cities where there are no black people. and he said the universityago, actually university of chicago is not -- there is a small black population at that institution. so that is something that should be corrected but with respect to donald trump i would tell him to stop acting as if all black people are takers, doing poorly. we make contributions to this country. and approximate he wants to really appeal to black people, which i don't think he does. but if he did i would say that you want to respect and first of all learn about the black community. learn about our culture, our history, our contributions to this country. and then speak. ask us what matters to us. and then speak. >> let's listen to some of what e had to say yesterday. take listen. >> almost 40% of african american children are living in poverty, abject poverty. including 45% of children under the age of 6. in detroit, half of its residents do not work. >> jason, what have you found in your reporting. how is trump's message being received by black voters? >> they don't care. here is the

incoming freshman at university of chicago received a letter from the dean of students there informing them of the schools commitment to free speech. he warns that the school will not cater to students who are easily offended. the dean writes the university doesn't condone so called safe spaces where students can their own. also said the school doesn't support trigger warnings. which alert students to material that might be uncomfortable. or offensive. >> . they won't cancel speakers whose topics might prove controversy. in the wake of several incidents involving speakers on campus. >> . >> drivers with the port hrapd public school were informed that any religious music. rap music. or talk show programs are not allowed. while kids are riding the bus. parents caught wind of the rule. many are angry. and they say by singling out rap music the school is being racially insensitive. >> his dad would proud of how his brothers and sisters stepped up to be there for his kids. >> . beautiful. the school tweeted out that the officers were an arm army of stand ins for the important first. >> so s

didn't want to run, was drafted by a group of people who were fronted by walter johnson of the university of chicago, leo lerner of the volunteers in illinois. so he was drafted against his will. so what did i say in this first book? none of this happened. that's what i said, none of this happened. i said that neither one of them were drafted, that it was a myth. i thought it was great. the reviews were pretty good. and then i went to a conference in 1992. now, this is a where's waldo? you got to find me in this picture. i'm the guy fifth from the left with black hair. standing next to mr. and mrs. john miner wisdom, you might see herb brownell, harold stassen. and for a good three hours at the eisenhower library, they beat me up senseless about how wrong i was with my book. it was a very humbling experience. i kind of thought that by hiding behind an "i like ike" button would somehow make me more objective, but i walked away from this seriously wondering whether or not what i had said a few years before was even valid, was even correct. over the years and in between other projects, and i've been fo

my father's a professor at the university of chicago. -- father is a professor at the university of chicagothen i moved to new york. brian: you have lived all over the world? where have you lived? mr. leamer: i went to antioch college. it had a your broad and i studied. i worked at a factory in france. they made the engines for french trains. that? why were you doing mr. leamer: antioch had a work-study program. it was great for a lawyer. the peace corps to nepal. a two day's walk from the mountains. i was there for two years. brian: what did you get from all that? mr. leamer: the best group of people i've ever been with. i'm still close to many of them. everything from people that went to communicate colleges, people that went to harvard. just a mix of people. one of these guys i still play tennis with occasionally. a marine officer says it was more difficult in the pre-score -- peace corps been in the -- than the military. some of these people still have health problems. it was a great expense. -- experience. brian: what do you think the peace corps gets us today? mr. leamer: i took three