different times i was in different places here and there, i spent six months in boulder, university of working in colorado, the laboratory. eventually, i developed an interest in editing physics journals. i became the editor of the physical review, the dominant in the world.l i was the editor of that. society -- physics they hadournal, another five or six journals for other disciplines. my job was molecular physics. i was the editor of that journal. there, believe it or not, i became the editor-in-chief of the entire shebang. 1993, i became editor-in-chief of the american physical society -- physics society. of theible for all journals come all the research journals of the american physics society. high energy -- every branch of physics, i became responsible for the entire publication output. it was a strange job and difficult job but i have that for five years. >> what was the final day you retired? >> after that, i retired from all jobs that paid money. i did volunteer work but no more salaries. >> around 19 -- the atomic and thecular division of american physics society, the membership of the american