i'lljust give you the words of one respected professor who writes on public health and medicine, josh barocas, who's a professor at the university of colorado school of, "you know what? "biden ran on the covid issue. "he ran on the science. "he ran on listening to scientists. "and if he truly believes it's over, he's now duping us. "that comment," says the professor, "was incredibly "damaging to public health." would you agree? no, i think that's being a bit unfair. i don't know who that person is, but might have a political agenda. i'm not sure. the president could have used better words than that. but i don't want this to be a politicisation. everybody understands in the united states that president biden takes the covid outbreak very seriously, as do all of us. so i think we might be just stretching it a bit by essentially making something out of this which it is not. but in terms of the removal of some of... ..many of the restrictions, is there now, for you as a public health expert, is there an acceptable level of covid death? well, you know, it's very difficult to say an acceptable level of death. you do as best as you can to get the level of m