well, thank you very much and i have to say, i'm the university of rhetoric, even though i'm based in johannesburg. i think the last visit and the whole ukraine issue has divided opinion in south africa generally. i think it's also important to note that among the ruling africa, national congress leads many of what educated and received military training in the soviet union at the time. and there is a lot of empathy all russia generally and the way at the time. but typically the us brits under reagan gotcha was supporting the regime against which the n c was fighting. so those dynamics quite important to understand in south africa position. and i think, i don't think it's clear as a lead on my day bytes, because among many of the black l. e, i talk to they may not necessarily support the russian aggression. they gave ukraine box. they tend to be very critical of what they see as what them the actions lightly us and them and iraq, which was done without us. all right, nation. so they divide, it's not straightforward. rusher was, doesn't, it wasn't even an aggression compares it to, i don't know was

joe be former director of the institute for pan african thought and conversation at the university of johannesburg on yugoslavia. and it has to be said, i mean, obviously on iraq in those sanctions, some sector generals might have resigned over half a 1000000 deaths in iraq. as regards the yugoslavia, i'm not sure whether you think that was aggression, nato bombing yugoslavia and destroying last place completely white. why was he not more vocal in stopping up the breakup of yugoslavia, which nato went for time? and tim began during his tenure, and that was the worst was in the 2nd world war, that was the beginning of things. maybe even the seeds of the grain will well, you see, i mean, my understanding of the yoga la was, is that these were, will. so session so you had a lot. ready basically, so crow mostly all who are basically seek into cow, ethnically, peer territory want i think you cannot use, the west style is neglect on you caution and failure to intervene to way, sorry, i'm sorry. profess, i've what there are so many books and how about the war in yugoslavia? no, i'm chomsky who's been on

well, thank you very much and i have to say, i'm the university of so re, i even though i'm based in johannesburg, i think the last visit and the whole ukraine issue has divided opinion in south africa. generally. i think it's also important to note that among the ruling africa, national congress leads many of them was educated, received military training in the soviet union at the time, and a lot of sympathy for russia generally and the way at the time. but typically the us brits on the reagan darcia was supporting the regime against which the n c was fighting. so those dynamics are quite important to understand in south africa position.