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the i the international atomic energy agency in the hor, robbie ok, sorry, director at the center for security and policy research at the university of la whore and author of the book. the blind i u. s. non proliferation policy towards pakistan from ford to clinton and in washington, richard cubits. a senior fellow and director at partnerships and proliferation prevention at the stimson center. he has previously worked for the state department on counter proliferation. very one, welcome to all i got with you, robert. kelly antonio potato says he's worried that crises with nuclear undertones could escalate. how serious is the threat right now that nuclear weapons could actually be used? i don't tutor large between the designated nuclear weapons states the permanent 5. i would be very concerned about south asia and india and pakistan maybe using some of their reserve to might use nuclear weapons. the concerns and ukraine right now, probably real, but i don't see them as, as prizing to a very high level where it now. okay. richard can fit the u. s. secretary of state gave a big speech about how invested the u. s. is in lowering the threat