usual when the pandemic is over well steve sang as director of the china institute at the university of london school of oriental and african studies and he says european leaders are unlikely to follow through on their threats because of economic reliance on china the real issue that get countries in europe and north america angry about china is why the chinese government misled the world at early at stake and then engage in a very aggressive public and their campaigns to distort the truth and in using the everybody or person who production equipment to support chinese diplomacy these are the issues that get people angry so changing the snitches now is not going to change their opinion i think relationship will get a bit more tense when the mate is under control i don't think trying this government at the moment is to concerned about what countries in europe or the united states ace may do in terms of be reviewing their china policy initiation it's already being seen by the chinese communist being very hostile to china anyway and they always believe that european countries including united kin

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reputation because there will be years to come of this and you must they'll just settle the legal university nobody wants to shout to edward stash d r t u k a london. the british medical association warns that doctors' lives are being put at risk by dangerously low levels of protective equipment more than $100.00 u.k. health workers have reportedly already died of corona virus but the government has so far confirmed only $69.00 deaths amid the shortage is the national health service the n.h.s. has controversially changed its guidelines now advising medics to reuse gowns and aprons doctors say that's extremely dangerous and goes against all safety advice it's prompted the unions to call for an independent inquiry into the government's policy on protective equipment. the n.h.s. confederation and the doctors union say they will now support medics who refuse to work without adequate protection we discussed all of that with dr anna hemming an n.h.s. commentator or lightly. i think it's a very personal thing that each doctor or nurse is an individual and they have feelings about age how they do their job and we all have a and want to help and care for p

hole was completed by themselves elsewhere those withholding payments have got results the university of london changed its policies so students no longer have to pay rent and can keep their belongings in storage for $25.00 pounds a week while other universities including nukes have also taken some action as part of our plan to support students through covert 19 like us so university has taken the decision to offer reduced accommodation fees to many of our students and university managed accommodation. we appreciate this is a very challenging time for our community and we hope our decision to waive accommodation payments helps ease the financial burden for our students but for some that simply doesn't go far enough for people who are going to a 25 percent of those very tempting for people to do that up and stand up for them to pay that. well don't and not going straight puts those in a position as it feels like a cynical attempt to split so it was against each other to bridge the structure to all they ask it was just to be humane and just reckon. the situation that we were in is your reputation

well ashok kumar is a lecturer of international political economy at backpack college at the university of london he thinks governments should be more transparent the issues that we had 20 years ago against terrorism and. the war on terror we didn't have access to that a lot of it was done behind closed doors now we need to know what are the question what are the actual measures that states private institutions and the federal government and state governments are taking that are undermining potentially undermining civil liberties there's no longer the question of state security that needs to be applied so we don't need to necessarily make the same mistakes we did 20 years ago so i think sunlight and more in terms of allowing for civil liberties groups but also the public to know exactly what the government is doing is the 1st is the 1st up because we don't know sr that it's certainly the case that in periods of crisis when similar duties have been taken away that it's real it's difficult for those who are liberties to be won back without a degree of struggle well the british prime minister is due

usual with china after the pandemic steve chang is the director of the china institute at the university of london school of oriental and african studies he says european leaders are too reliant on china to follow through on their threats. that real issue to get countries in europe and north america angry about china is the chinese government been misled and the world at stake and then engage in a very aggressive public and their campaigns to distort the truth and in using the ever the political or personal production equipment. to support chinese diplomacy is going to get people angry so changing the snitches now is not going to change their opinion i think relationship will get more tense when the impending mate is under control i don't think you're trying this government at the moment is too concerned about what countries in europe or the united states a smi do in terms of the reviewing their china policy. is already being seen by transcom as being very hostile to china anyway and they always believe that european countries including united kingdom will ultimately be weak on china that we would

china when the pandemic is over steve saying is the director of the china institute at the university of london school of oriental and african studies joins me now via skype from nottingham in the u.k. thanks for joining us live on the program controlling the narrative has been china's priority since the outbreak began and we had revising the figures after being criticized for the lower mishal figures isn't really going to help them when public or international opinion is it. i think you are absolutely right there. are questions about the chinese official statistics on the number of infection 2 known deaths but the real issue to get countries in europe and north america angry approach china is why the chinese government been misled the world at stake and then engage in a very aggressive public and a campaign to distort the truth and in using the evidence or. production equipment to support chinese diplomacy these other issues that get people angry so changing the snitches now is not going to change their opinion of the course that you just touched on my next question which is about the irritati

hole was completed by themselves elsewhere those withholding payments have got results the university of london changed its policies so students no longer have to pay rent and can keep their belongings in storage for $25.00 pounds a week while other universities including nukes have also taken some action as part of our plan to support students through covert 19 like us the university has taken the decision to offer rich. commendation ps to many of our students and university managed accommodation best we appreciate this is a very challenging time for our community and we hope our decision to waive accommodation payments helps ease the financial burden for our students but for some that simply doesn't go far enough people have to pay 25 percent of those very tempting for people to do the i was done but the influence paid out. well don't and i'm not going straight to put those in a weak position as it feels like a cynical attempt to split so it was against each other to break the strike so we're asking it was just to be humane and just recognize the situation that we're in is your reputation is

al-jazeera her little boy wrongly as a visiting scholar at queen mary university of london its nationalstate crime initiative for interest now live from london good to have you with us rona what's the significance of this report given but much of its content is already known. well it's important because it's the final report from professor yang the lady who's been the special repertory for human rights in may and man she's been an incredibly strong advocate for the interests of ordinary people in myanmar regardless of ethnicity and regardless of religion at this report will give at the u.n. and the international community plenty to consider and it's a real call for racket call to action by yang healy i mean she says in the report that her all to me isn't that she had when she 1st started in her role especially the tour is gone but she's still hopeful that opportunities to make me and mom better. still exist so what's the takeaway message for you in this report. well yeah he least quite correct the last 5 years have been very bad for human rights in myanmar they've been very bad for demo

order to survive well let's speak to any of padre he is head of the aviation department at university of west london and he joins us now from london via skype and you know we've been looking at the declining aviation industry since the beginning of this crisis from what were record numbers i believe of travelers in january to something well to this and the international air transport association is now forecasting that revenue is going to plummet by $252000000000.00 can the industry ever recover. and will the asian industry has been involved in crisis maybe oh not this kind of fall but there's certainly you know certain laugh a lot of crisis such as 911 the global economic crisis and sols and the bowler and so on. one of the limbs of hope is the industry is very resilient it tends to bounce back fairly quickly as soon as demand begins to pick up again and i suspect what will happen here is that the same thing so once there is a relaxation of restrictions on people moving around will the model come back the industry will bounce back the immediate concern really is how many of the airlines airports an

changes to adult social care provision while or for more reaction to this i'm joined by the university of london's professor keith bill being very good to see you sort of the pandemic ringback has exposed many of the weaknesses of the the global market system is this report right to talk about a retreat from globalisation. well i think it is because this is the striking thing about these viruses because people together for instance right away on that log how to get people to travel it is a high risk of infection so people are going to worry about these kinds of issues so that's a major effect of globalization is just part of the problem industry and of course businesses so it's a very curious thing this corona virus because it seems designed in a way to maximize the economic damage so you can get the economies got it going to be very difficult in the street where people like to call the state to rest from all this kind of thing. it could. go on the prices of global production so that this report which we talk about advocates for less regulation a free market that is the way to go. well i'm being a

about this with kemar was a lecturer of international political economy and birkbeck college university of london he's joining us via skype thanks for your time with us on the news hour so as our correspondent was outlining from washington there's concern that the u.s. government is harnessing data and ways that could reduce people's privacy as well as several liberties do you share that concern. yeah i mean i think that's a concern that people should have in many different contexts it's certainly the case that in periods of crisis when similar duties have been taken away that it's it's difficult for those who are liberties to be won back without a degree of struggle now you see the protests targeting questions around civil liberties in the u.s. particularly around the 2nd amendment in different states but those concerns and those protests are largely still quite marginal and i think mostly the civil liberties questions are secondary questions and the primary question is one of people's genuine concerns about or some people genuine concerns about their ability to subsist without a kind of robust

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lovely but it does feel very isolated elsewhere those withholding payments have got results the university of london changed its policy so students no longer have to pay rent and can keep their belongings in storage for $25.00 pounds a week while other universities including luke's have also taken some action as part of our plan to support students through covert 19 like us the university has taken the decision to offer reduced accommodation fees to many of our students and university managed accommodation we appreciate this is a very challenging time for our community and we hope our decision to waive accommodation payments helps ease the financial burden for our students but for some that simply doesn't go far enough people have turned over. sent those very tempting for people to do the up and stand up for them to pay of our. own and not been struck me puts those in a weak position it feels like a cynical attempt to split salt pit us against each other to break the strike the only asking is just to be humane and just recognize the situation that we're in is your reputation is your money worth more

with me is dr elisabetta groppelli, lecturer in global health at st george's university of london. university of cambridge virologist and presenter of the naked scientists podcast, dr chris smith. welcome to you both. maybe i could start with you, doctor chris start with welcome to you both. maybe i could start with you, doctor chris smith on masks. because there's a lot of talk of the moment about mask. here is one from tess in newport in wales. cani make a mask at home — what would be the best material? once used, would the virus be destroyed by cleaning or heating? to be honest with you, the current evidence we have and the guidance of the public health england is sticking to that these masks will not be helpful. in the hospital setting, used appropriately, the right sort of masks in the right sort of setting in the right sorts of additional production including protection for your eyes, they can save lives, they can be helpful, but for general public, walking around in the supermarket, for example, getting her shopping, they are probably not going to do you any good. the only p

she one tenure in pure mathematics at the university of sheffield and is honorary visiting fellow at the university of london. she was previously taught at universities of cambridge, chicago denise holds a phd in pure mathematics from the university of cambridge.e. alongside her research and category theory and her undergraduate teaching or aim is to rid the world of math phobia. her first popular math book how to bake a pie was raised by the new york times national geographic and scientific american and she was interviewed around the world including on the bbc, npr and the late show with stephen colbert. her book eybeyond infinity was shortlisted for the royal society investment science book prize 2017. eugenia was an early pioneer of math on youtube and her videos have been viewed over 18 million times today. eugenia is also math columnist for the wall street journal , a concert pianist and founder of the leader to, join me in welcoming doctor eugenia cheng. [applause] >> thank you very much. thank you to the townhall for inviting me to speak on my latest book. it's affirming to be invited back somewhere a

rishaad: a university of london professor said until we get a vaccine, all bets are off. ur take from the banking earnings we have had out , and how much far of the bad news they've been talking about will be reflected in global financial industry earnings? >> if you look at the risk metrics set, all of us banks look at more broadly in two groups, one is the immediate u.s. dollar funding crunch. you agree that for banks and corporate select, that has been banks.naged by the u.s. dollarseeds on the short term will be taken care of for now. going forward, for most banks, as with all slowdowns, as with all recessions, the big worry is credit. weakerh yield, the vanishing, and that's a very clear signal that all banks are looking out for from that part of the world, and that will be something that will take a much longer term over the next few quarters to fix. rishaad: i could not agree with you more. global banks after the global financial crisis were meant to be much, much stronger, but were never stress tested for an incident or an epidemic or pandemic like this. the risk i

discussion nobody is talking about the possible exit and the economy 1st human governor of university college london was one of the 1st taxpayers to explain clearly the dramatic difference in infectivity between corona virus and normal seasonal flu seasonal flu if you allowed the infection interrupted 5 of 10 times a move to the 1st perhaps 14 people were in cans in one case the figure of the relevant figure the comparable figure for corona virus is 57000 that is how infectious this new diseases i spoke to human gov from the front line of fighting the disease in west london. 1st you're one of the people of my state explain the difference between. their fate to meet the fact of 1.3 of infectivity fact of perhaps 3 as of the case of corona virus could yes that is way above what difference that makes the number of people who can be infected by a single case yes indeed and of course this is the biggest year it's not the fact that everyone who gets this disease becomes critically unwell and dies far from it so i mean it's probably between 50 and 80 percent of people who get this disease probably don't ev

it is now honorary visiting fellow at the city of university of london. has previously taught at cambridge, chicago, and also phd in mathematics from the university of cambridge. alongside her researchbr and category, and her undergraduate teaching, or a mystery the world of math phobia. her first popular math book, how to make pie this praise with new york times national geographic, and scientific americans. and she was interviewed around the world including in dc, npr and late show with stephen colbert. her book beyond infinity royal society and site investment science book price of 2017. it was early pioneer on math on youtube. videos have been viewed over 15 million times. she's also a math columnist for the wall street journal. a concert pianist and founder of the leaders group. please join me in welcoming her. [applause]. dr. eugenia cheng: thank you so much to the panel for inviting me back here to speak on my latest book. it is always very informing to be invited back somewhere again. this is the third time i have been invited here so that is stri

david alexander is professor of risk disaster reduction the university college of london joins us now via skype good to have you with us so does this mean the fact that europe or lots of europe is not everywhere of course is heading towards some kind of easing does that mean the worst of the virus is behind us now. we really can tell you that it does appear that we're over the 1st of this wave and we hope very much that there will be only one worries but i think back to the influenza or epidemic of a 100 years ago. was worse than the 1st one it was most serious than the 1st wave hopefully that will not happen here prove pilots have to be exercised in. relaxing the let's. put it let me put it this way i mean how does one know if there's going to be a 2nd wave and how bad is it going to be without opening up i mean is what the government's doing right now inevitable anyway you have to open up and see how it goes well we're moving towards the farmer where there is some hope that the disease will attenuate by and maybe if it would be that it might come back in the old. however there are o

of this year. to discuss this and answer your questions are doctor jennifer rowan, a cell biologist at university college londondge. i wa nt to from the university of cambridge. i want to start if you can this part of the discussion talking about a vaccine, because it is being held up, chris, as the magic solution, the silver bullet that will solve all our problems. what are our chances of actually being able to find a vaccine, given our experience with other coronaviruses, and things like sars? well, i would take a sort of optimistic view, which as we have some very bright scientists in this and other countries. there are lots of islands in the fire, because lots of islands in the fire, because lots of people in lots of countries who are good at this kind of thing are working on it, and they are all taking slightly different approaches, so we have lots of rolls of the dice in this game. repressor gilbert at the university of oxford —— professor gilbert, has taken a construct that has been proven to work for other viruses and infectious threats, ebola specifically, and that has been repurposed to turn it into a

walsh and cameraman adam walker brought you the story of the doctors and nurses working in the intensive care unit at university college hospital in londonitals. tonight, fergus reports on the way the hospital has transformed its way of working. at first glance, it looks like a normal hospital, but coronavirus has changed everything. ward after ward has been cleared for covid—i9 patients. i didn't take this seriously enough... imran isjust 37 and has breathing difficulties due to the virus. you don't know how bad it is until it actually hits you. and so, i would absolutely urge everybody to listen to the government guidance and stay away from people. he has a wife and two children — everything to fight for. i have felt times where my body has been willing to just give up completely. and i'm not... i'm a very young and fit individual. from the moment patients arrive at a&e, nurses and doctors face the risk of infection. i do worry about my staff because they're being exposed to patients who have a dangerous disease. the man in charge at the hospital throughout this crisis leads from the front. i am a doctor myself. i work in a&e with coro

of the virus itself. we have a colleague at university college london who is using the biggest supercomputer in europe to old libraries of drugs which have already been tried and tested for other viruses and infections, just to see some of them have the ability to interfere with the spikes on the coronavirus. in the longer term, there is a promise of a vaccine which should stop us getting the disease in the first place, but testing and manufacturing takes time. even if scientists are successful, it is unlikely to be rolled out widely until sometime next year. in china, where the virus originated, authorities there say they have now got a grip on the outbreak. it is widely believed that beijing is harnessing the power of its sophisticated surveillance state to track, monitor and control people to stop the spread of the disease. the use of mobile phone data has proven particularly effective and now some of the techniques are being copied by a growing number of countries around the world, including singapore, south korea and iran. so, how can surveillance state tools help in a pandemic and what are the pote

could claim thousands of additional lives through to a lack of diagnostics and treatment that's according to new research by university college london health research hub starting for tuesday of the restore vital services including cancer care which has mostly been put on hold during the pandemic ortiz portraits reports. britain could soon face another health care crisis not corona virus but a consequence of it scientists predict 18000 more people in the u.k. could die of cancer in the next year deaths from new cases in england could rise by a 5th of one expert has a grim prognosis about the overall number of deaths caused by the disruption of cancer services during the pandemic this is likely to outweigh the number of deaths from the corona virus itself over the next 5 years cancer treatment in hospitals has been put on hold to make room for covert 19 patients last month attendance for chemotherapy dropped by as much as 60 percent and cancer referrals by doctors are 76 percent lower but it's not just treatments that have been affected an n.h.s. england survey found 10 percent of the public wouldn't seek help at all during the pande

. >>> and last hour, i spoke to anthony costello, professor of global health at university college londonand we discussed how mass testing can be done more efficiently. what we're seeing in the united states, the largest number of cases of any country across the globe -- and it's having problems getting tests done, isn't it? we heard tuesday that there's some confusion with which labs to be used. apparently, the federal government has sent out these tests, but they're not going any further. so, clearly, if the united states can't get organized on any level of testing here, never mind mass testing, how would any other nation get this organized? >> well, yeah. i mean, the problem that the united states faced was a bit like britain, they've overcentralized the testing process initially. and in addition, you had a faulty test, where they couldn't roll it out in any way quick enough and the infection spread to many states in the country without people knowing about it. so, like italy, spain, and elsewhere, u.s. is specifically trying to catch up. you've hugely wrapped up testing in the last we

dr laleh khalili is professor in international politics at queen mary university of london. se in that they were, although the virus might be a common enemy and lots of people can be exposed to regardless of their background, those who are poorer, we have also discovered both in europe and the us, people of colour are much more vulnerable to it because of the lack of infrastructure, also in the way that deprivations that have already existed actually exacerbate the illness itself. your report also showed that even in circumstances where almost everything is lockdown, palestinian workers are still being essentially forced by their own conditions of poverty and the need to support theirfamilies to poverty and the need to support their families to cross the border into israel, where we know the situation of coded is a lot worse. i can see why the palestinian authority may be apprehensive about these workers crossing the border. in addition to west bank not having mrs lately kind of medical equipment that it might need in order to deal with its own sick people, there have been in

of sri lanka to britain and safety. kieran claimed asylum and lived with a tamil refugee charity in london. he excelled at school, went to universityi decided that there must be a reason that god somehow saw me through this death and destruction on one side and somehow brought me all the way through this journey to england. kieran had set up an educational charity, aiming to help train young survivors of the civil war in technology. surviving the easter bombing gave new impetus and urgency to his plans. kieran, too, is determined to help sri lankans get back on their feet after his own lucky escape from the shangri—la. this is a country that has given me everything in my life. and i feel that this kind of enforces why we must — we can only overcome evil by education and empowerment. his charity is now focusing on high—tech training to provide employment and opportunity for the young. how are you? i'm all right. i want to make sure they are learning the machine learning of the world, the ai, the blockchain, whatever we think the future is going to be. two former students of kieran‘s have come to colombo to help him set up his high—t

professor sir michael marmot is the director of the university college london institute of health equityo the director of the world health organisation. thanks very much forjoining us on bbc news. that estimate of 40,000, does that feel as if it is in the right ballpark for you ? does that feel as if it is in the right ballpark for you? the range is enormous, as you know, so, yes, it's in the ballpark. and a huge amount depends on how we affect the transition to opening up, and if we are ina transition to opening up, and if we are in a position to have testing, tracing of contacts and isolation, opening up the economy will be safer. if we are not in such a position, opening up the economy will be very risky. you penned a report, a review, on life expectancy recently, and it found overall the expectancy growth rate has stalled in the past decade. what effect will coronavirus have on that, do you think? well, it seemed like the major contributor to that shortening of life expectancy in the last decade was an increase in inequalities. life expectancy was still improving in people who were b

a team from the university of oxford and kings college london have quickly designed what they think isble ventilator, which could go into production right away, called 0xvent. it was presented to the uk cabinet this week and was made to special covid—19 regulations that the government published. ..and is driven into this box. inside the box is a standard ambulance bag. these bags are normally compressed by hand to provide air to a patient, but in this case, we compress it using the pressure from our air supply. the device is made from a0 components, 90% of which are ‘off the shelf', meaning they are already in the nhs supply chain and, theoretically, easy to procure. 0xvent will now be tested in birmingham, and may cost less than £1,000 per machine, compared to tens of thousands of pounds for ones in use in hospitals now. we want something that's simple and that can be built. and, sure, i can make a ventilator as fancy as you like, but i'll get it to you in october, if that's alright. that's not an option. in france, a collective have created what they call the minimal universal respir

today at six, we have a special report on conditions inside one of the uk's busiest intensive care departments. staff at london's university college hospital are under intense pressure, as they deal with rising numbers of patients suffering from the effects of coronavirus. i've been in intensive care nursing for about 23 years now, and i've never seen anything like this, even the london bombings. the staff here are dealing with the biggest challenge ever faced by the nhs. they can save many of the patients, but sadly not all of them. in another london hospital across the thames from westminster, the prime minister is facing a second night being treated for persistent symptoms. mrjohnson, seen here a few days ago, says he's still in charge of government business from his hospital bed. we'll have the latest on the prime minister's condition, and on the government's latest response to the coronavirus crisis. also today. local authorities are urged not to close public parks unless it's absolutely necessary, and if people are ignoring the guidelines. since the lockdown began there's been a sharp rise in reports of domestic abus

of sri lanka to britain and safety. he claimed asylum and lived with a refugee charity in london. he excelled in school, went to university prestigious firms in the city of london. then i decided that there must be a reason that god somehow seen me must be a reason that god somehow seen me all this death and destruction and somehow it brought me all the way through this journey to england. he had set up an educational charity aiming to help train young survivors of the civil warand train young survivors of the civil war and technology. surviving the easter bombing, dave new impetus and urgency to his plans. he is determined to help sri lankans get back on their feet. after his own lucky escape from the shangri—la. own lucky escape from the shangri-la. this is a country that is given me everything in my life. i have a feeling that this kind of e nforces have a feeling that this kind of enforces why we must do more. we can ove i’co m e enforces why we must do more. we can ove rco m e by enforces why we must do more. we can overcome by education. his charity is now focusing on high—tech training to provide employment and opp

abdul salam mina cd he's the provest of the college of health sciences at the university of africa in our state in nigeria in london we have david heyman he's a professor of infectious disease epidemiology at the london school of hygiene and tropical medicine and joining us today from nairobi we have david or we are oh he's the founder and principal consultant at the africa development think tank gentlemen welcome to you all abdul salam in the cd coming to you 1st why is this virus taking longer to get a foothold across the continent of africa. well this is a very tough question but there's a question of us here asking 1st and foremost maybe we should google it to be to the history of the koran awarenesses it seems the previous and lettuces that cause it to our breaks of such as and is it here i could rest pretty syndrome and break and then the 2nd. minute is this which is in there must be a break or other book seem to scare africa and it seems. it is either way you know a political factors are some. other factors or weather maria sure of so also is the noble coronavirus is seems to be going around africa and there

officials michael vales a lecturer in digital rights and regulation at the faculty of law's at university college london he says the data collected is not that that necessarily paint an accurate picture and it does have some shortcomings and it can also be used to perhaps raise and lower lock downs in particular regions and that's what a lot of firms and governments are also looking to do in telecoms data but we have to be careful as well because not everyone has smart phones many people don't turn location services on and those who do maybe of a different demographic to those who don't and so this data is not necessarily a a great picture of the truth in all parts of the world or all parts of the country is the same with contact tracing apps if you design them incorrectly you can penalize individuals and even stigmatize individuals and as i said it's able to be used by surveillance by law enforcement and for things that are completely not covert related like finding whistleblowers or own or rebel groups or people who threaten different government regimes in ways that we might not want to see them perse

heather ewing is a graduate of yale university and the institute of art in london. she is currently a research associate of the smithsonian, where she once worked as an architectural historian and is the author of a number of books on the architecture and history of the institution. from 2013 to 2018, she was the executive director of the center of italian modern art in new york and has worked, as well, for the john and mabel ringling museum of art in sarasota and the sir john museum in london. "the lost world of james smithson" was her first book, and she resides in new york. so please welcome heather ewing. [applause] heather: thanks for having me. can you all hear me? wonderful. it is really a pleasure to be here. and i very much look forward to speaking and meeting with you all afterwards. i just wanted to let you know that i will be bowing to you -- i am not shaking hands, per our current instruction. i encourage you all to do the same. anyway, i wanted to thank you all very much for having me. it is a pleasure to be here to talk about this topic that i care ab

let's examine that further we can speak to david alexander who's professor of a risk in disaster reduction at university college london david those numbers as a say for a country of 274000000 seem extraordinarily small what's your view. well it rather depends where it is here is in the cycle of the disease it may be simply at the start of it these things don't happen instantaneously and in fact indonesia may be tracing a case where there is proliferation of the disease and that really is a challenge some years ago and into the reason cabinet minister said to me there disasters where their top priority in government let's say that's still true but this is a very different design after that to the kind that they normally deal with which are somewhat regional areas within the country this is potentially something that the entire country will have to deal with right and that is a problem is that in the sense that they could be cases all over the country but knowing about them is the issue. well i think that's true not merely for a disease or prefer any country but it is particularly children particularly worrisome for cou

a professor of molecule at london university. good to have you with us. >> good morning. >> as we just heard the governor of georgia surprised everyone monday. r announcing he will open shops. and gyms on friday. all very close proximity businesses. restaurants and theaters movie. what is your reaction to this move when data clearly shows that infections in the state are going up. not plateauing or going down. >> it's surprising. it is very early to open such businesses when the number of cases a cases are increasing. the people are not immune. these aren't essential businesses. opening a movie theater at this point. potentially transmitting the virus. when case levels are still high. not decreasing. no evidence of it going away yet. it's rather soon and alarming to be honest. >> other countries with far fewer death and infection are extending lack down r slowly opening up small shops. why do you think there's such a rush to open up the united states? when it has the highest number of infections and the highest death toll in the w