he is called director of the international manifesto group as well as a researcher at the university of manitoba in canada and in oxford. and we crossed to roger mackenzie. he is an international editor. i gentleman comstock rose and i think that means you can jump anytime you want and i always appreciate it, michael, let me go to you 1st here, i'm titling this program, sacrificing ukraine. i propose there was a very interesting article in new york times a few days ago titled the u. s. should be a vote force for peace in the world. well, i think we should all agree with that. but one of the most, the most important take away in the context of ukraine and deletes is this sentence here, 2 sentences in diplomacy. well, one must attempt strategic empathy seeking to understand one's adversaries. this is not weakness. it is wisdom. and i can think of a better way to encapsulate the madness that we're all experiencing, michael, but we're just saying the opposite. and we've been that more for 22 years, plus. and i don't see any ending to it any in terms of the united states. but it's, it's, it's driven