now joining me is ruth bender, a professor of history at new york's university, she is the author of the book, strong men, from mussolini to the present. natalieere been people who over the last few days talk about things lines that the u.s. and nato will not discuss, so as not to trip into accidentally world war three. particularly, a war between nuclear powers. vladimir putin mention is nuclear arsenal the other day, in declaring the invasion of ukraine, they suffice and people so what do you make of this news? >> >> it's interesting how quickly he got this out, he did warn about it. this is a perfect storm for putin. and if you know about the psychology, none of this is, excuse me, none of this is surprising this badly miscalculated he has elevated zelenskyy to a world figure leader of democracy. he is giving you prestige and resolve to nato, so two words, ali. elite defection. so is oligarchs have started to speak out against him abramovich, friedman. this is a huge deal. those people are just as transactional as he is. but this shows his power, what he fears, why he did this on this occasion, is not stable. you have reports of russian fun