taken michael gurr had who was also called by the democrats a professor of law at the university of north carolina i think went even further than everyone else saying that what president did his misconduct in fact is worth in any prior president's misconduct what do you make of that. he did it was also notable that he talked about president trump as a monarch he said that this was an effort to make a monarchy and so that too was pretty extreme language from you know for a country that was founded to escape the monarchy of king george so yes he definitely took a strong position there. meant to be you talked about this a little bit there's been criticism of the democrats that they are moving too fast with this they officially announce their impeachment inquiry into president trump a little over 2 months ago and now they sound like they want to be done with this what do you make of the process so far. briefly melanie and then we'll go back to the questioning i think the democrats have been trying to be fair the president hasn't wanted to participate he was invited and his counsel was invited to parti

of harvard law school, stanford law school, the university of north carolina school of law, the george washington university law school. follow the impeachment inquiry. online at on c-span3, c-span.org, or on the three c-span radio app -- free c-span radio app. announcer: on tuesday, the house intelligence committee released reporteachment inquiry on president trump in ukraine based on evidence collected during depositions and two weeks of public hearings. adam schiff discussed the report at a news conference that took place a few hours before the committee went on to adopt the findings by a party line vote of 13-9. >> it was an enormous task, and i want to begin by acknowledging the great work of the great and late colleague of mine, elijah cummings. we continue to be inspired by his legacy, and guided by andghts of his integrity the great moral clarity he always showed in his work. i also want to thank chairman engel, maloney, for their work as well. this effort coerced an ally, ukraine, into doing the president's political dirty work. it involves a scheme in which donald trump withh

professors of harvard -- law professors of harvard law school, stanford law school, the university of north carolina school of law, and the george washington university of law school. follow the impeachment inquiry online at, c-span.org, or on the free c-span radio app. announcer: president trump is

carlin of stanford law school, michael gare heart from the university of north carolina school of law, and jonathan turliy of the george washington university law school. follow the impeachment infiery. watch live on c-span3, online at c-span.org. or listen on the free c-span radio app. >> saturday, six 2020 democratic presidential candidates speak at a forum on labor issues hosted by the international brotherhood of teamsters union in cedar rapids, iowa. live coverage begins at 3:00 .m. eastern on c-span. >> c-span's student cam 2020 competition is in full swing. all across the country middle and high school students are hard at work creating their short documentaries on the issues they most like the 2020 presidential candidates to address in their campaigns. and would love to see your progress. take us behind the scenes. then share your photos using the #stuned cam 2020 for a chance to win additional cash prizes. still working on an idea? we've got resources on our website to help out. our getting started page at student cam.org has information to guide you through the process of ma

and we will hear testimony from law , pamela carlin of stanford, michael gerhart of the university of north carolina school of law, and jonathan turley. follow the impeachment inquiry. watch live on c-span4, online -- c-span3, live at c-span.org, or listen at the free c-span radio app. president trump's overseas and london for the annual nato summit with foreign leaders. on tuesday he been with nato secretary-general and took questions from reporters. nato secretary-general. will thank you very much. it is great to be with secretary stoltenberg with nato. we met many times. i think he's doing a fantastic job. i am a big fan. his contract was extended. i was very happy about that. i think the secretary-general will tell you

stanford law school, michael from the university of north carolina school of law, and jonathan turley of the george washington university law school. follow the peach meant inquiry watch live on c-span three online@c-span.org or listen on the free c-span radio app. >> president trump and french president held a joint news conference at the nato summit in london. they discussed nato member contributions, european trade, and the fight against isis among other topics. this is 40 minutes. >> we've had a fairly long relationship we've been discussing certain things and we have a long conversation "after words". i want to pay my respects to the great warriors lost in the helicopters. it's very sad of gartner report on it. we talked about it and please give my condolences to the families and to france. they were great fighters, you've done a fantastic job in that area. we very much appreciate it. we'll be talking about a lot of things including the trade, will be doing a lot of trade with france we've had a minor dispute but will be able to work it out. but we have a big trade relationship a

so when a university of north carolina student died tackling a gunman on campus, the filmmakers decidedcter in his honor. riley howell is now immortalized as a jedi master on the star wars fan site. in a danatasha chen has more. >> when i first saw you, it was like the sun came out. bright and beaming on the cloudiest of days. >> reporter: riley howell's family remembers him as array of light. and now he will also be known for fighting dark forces in a galaxy far, far away. >> kind of like a really nice way to round out the worst year of all of our lives. >> reporter: howell died in april shot tackling a gunman at the university of north carolina charlotte. ly gihis girlfriend, lauren, shared a letter from lucas film saying that they would like to create a character in howell's honor. they wanted to be a secret until later this year writing that his courage brings out the jedi in all of us. turns out he is now a jedi master in a book companion to the final saga. >> it is so riley howell. he is technically just like amea me jedi master historian who i guess has reserved these books. >> f

from michael gerhardt, one of the democratic witnesses invited by the democrats from the university of north carolina, says the president's serious misconduct, including bribery, solicitting a personal favor from a foreign leader in exchange for his exercise of power and obstructing justice in congress are worse than the misconduct of any prior president, including what previous presidents who faced impeachment have done or been accused of doing. now the republican witness, one of the four who is testifying, jonathan turley from george washington university, has a different take. he's going to say this. i'm concerned about lowering impeachment standards to fit a plausi i pla pla plausity paucity of evidence. it would stand out as the shortest proceeding with the shortest evidentiary record and narrowest grounds ever to impeach a president. it does not bode well for future presidents who are working in a country often sharply and at times bitterly divided. now after they deliver their opening statements, that's when we'll see the staff counsels ask questions, including the democratic counsel who previ

. >> you see michael gerhardt there from the university of north carolina. he's a constitutional legal scholar as well and also happens to be a cnn contributor. >> because we only hire the best. >> a very smart guy and professor carlin of stamford, she will be testifying as well. it's going to be and i'm anxious, you know, ross, for your thoughts, it going to be very, very academic? at least the opening session? >> i think the thing to look for right out of the gate is whether the republicans try to score some points. >> by the way, that's noah feldman from law school, the fourth witness. >> on the point that laura and david were making about sort of what this means about the power of the presidency, you know, when we actually do get down to the substance, i think that's one of the things we will hear is that the framers were actually concerned about an executive that would be too powerful. >> also, at the same time, having an executive who is powerful enough and fought having a congress that was too powerful, it is about this balance. and one of the things t

noah feldman of harvard law school, pamela of stanford, michael gerhardt from the university of north carolinahool of law and jonathan turley of the george washington university law school. follow the impeachment inquiry, watch live on c-span3 online@c-span .org or listen on the free c-span radio app. former vice president in 2020 candidate joe biden reacting to the news that another candidate, senator kamala harris, will drop out of the race. he was in mason city, iowa. >> [inaudible] >> would you consider her for vp still? spirit the senate is back at 2:15 eastern time and it 2:30 senator joni erickson will consider a farewell speech. mitch mcconnell earlier spoke about the life and career of senator isaacson. >> the senate has set aside today to honor our distinguished colleagues the distinguished senator from georgia, johnny isakson. it's been about three months that johnny anc

of harvard our school, pamela s carlin of stanford law school, michael gerhart from the university of north carolina school of law and jonathan turley of the george washington university law school . follow the impeachment inquiry. watch live on c-span3. online at c-span.org or listen on the free c-span radio app. announcer: washington journal live every day with news and policy issues that impact you. coming up tuesday morning, we will talk about the future of nato with defense priorities benjamin freedom and then a discussion about life expectancy in the u.s. with dr. stephen wealth of the center on society and health at virginia commonwealth university. be sure to watch he spends washington journal, live at 7:00 eastern tuesday morning. join the discussion. on the c-spany networks, the senate foreign relations committee looks at the future of u.s. policy toward russia. that is at 10:00 a.m. on c-span. at 2:00 p.m., the u.s. house returns for work on several bills including legislation regarding u.s. citizenship for children of service members and civil servants born overseas. on c-span two, the s

a professor from harvard, a professor from stanford, michael gearhart from the university of north carolina, and jonathan turley of the george washington university law school. follow the impeachment inquiry, watch live on c-span3, online at c-span.org, or listen on the free c-span radio app. campaign 2020 bus team is traveling across the country asking voters what issues should presidential candidates address? >> what i want the candidates to focus on my not be popular, but gerrymandering, because it impacts our local elections and our congressional elections and it is so out of hand in states like texas and north carolina where your vote doesn't matter if the district has been gerrymandered against you. presidential candidates to talk about the real estate industry. the real estate industry has so much control over the land in this country and our big real estate executives who are able think wee land and i need more community control of things. the real estate industry has a long history of being an oligarchic force. to see thelike candidates focus more on how to fix the corruption in ou

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bribery, one of the other points that democrats have brought up and the professor on the university of north carolinas. and fighting, we‘re really by the intensity that came from some of the witnesses themselves. for example, professor pamela really hit back at the republican ranking memberfor suggesting that this process had been flawed in that there was not enough evidence, saying that she had read through every single page of this and this really struck at the heart of this republic. the solar republican, the sole witness called by republicans is really said that there is no real evidence of a quid pro quo and that they have rushed the process. he said he is not against impeachment, but just the process. he said he is not against impeachment, butjust not in this way. ributes from cricket and beyond have been paid to bob willis, the former england cricket captain and fast bowler — who has died at the age of 70. blessed with fearsome pace and a steely glare, willis will arguably be best remembered for his role in the third test victory over australia in the 1981 ashes at headingley. 0ur corresponden

of north carolina. professor myers then took a different path of service at the university of north carolina at chapel hill instructing the next generation of lawyers to be people in -- his own words -- and i quote, do the right thing every day, unquote. if confirmed, professor myers will serve on the eastern district of north carolina and as senator tillis said will hold court in wilmington. ironically, this court is currently meeting in the building that once housed the wilmington -- the "wilmington morningstar." when considering his story, it seems fitting that someone with the character, work ethic and servant's approach to life will be returning to the building of his first postcollege job wearing the robe of a judge. i have faith had his ability to do the right thing every day. in this critically important role and i'm grateful for the opportunity to speak on his behalf to our colleagues. this is a well-deserving and will be an incredibly effective serving judge in our district court system. i urge my completion to support him -- i urge my colleagues to support him unanimously. i yield the floor. mr.

go get 'em, winnie >> a 21-year-old university of north carolina charlotte student who died trying tohooter on campus last april is being memorialized in a very special way. riley howell has been named an honorary jedi master and historian in the new book "star wars: rise of skywalker" the visual dictionary. according to his family, howell was a huge "star wars" fan and when lucas film contacted them asking if they could use his name in an upcoming book, they said yes without knowing any details. the book was released along with the new movie. >> santa has made a special trip to indiana to visit 8-year-old tyler burkhart for christmas tyler has autism and was turned away from seeing santa at the mall because he needed to bring his special service dog in when the fire burg territory heard, they rushed in with santa, bringing him toys and lots of holiday joy. >> just ahead, we will pay tribute to one of the music industry's most colorful figures who wrote the theme song to "friends." >> plus, first come the gifts atouees.the return wh y nd to know before your trip to the mall. introduci

will hear testimony from a professors of harvard law school, stanford law school, the university of north carolina school of law, the george washington university law school. follow the impeachment inquiry. online at on c-span3, c-span.org, or on the three c-span radio app -- free c-span radio app. announcer: on tuesday, the house intelligence committee released reporteachment inquiry on president trump in ukraine based on evidence collected during depositions and two weeks of public hearings. adam schiff discussed the report at a news conference that took place a few hours before the committee went on to adopt the findings by a party line vote of 13-9.

in fact, vasse michael getup from the university of north carolina said if president's conduct isn't trong moment there. and while we knew there would bea there. and while we knew there would be a bit of political fighting, we we re be a bit of political fighting, we were really surprised by the intensity that came from some of the witnesses themselves. for example, professor pamela carlin really hit back at the republican ranking memberfor suggesting back at the republican ranking member for suggesting that this process had been flawed, that there wasn't enough evidence, saying that she had read through every single page of the depositions that were made public and that she thought that this really struck at the heart of this republic. so a really interesting debate there. jonathan tu rley, interesting debate there. jonathan turley, the sole witness called by republicans, has really said that there is no clear evidence of a quid pro quo and the democrats have rushed this process. he says he is not a fan of resident front, he's not a fan of resident front, he's not against impeachment

gerhart at the university of north carolina and jonathan shirley at washington university. ey get opening statements of 10 minutes each. majoritys each for the and minority councils. after that, the round of questioning from the 41 members of the judiciary committee. there is 24 democrats, 17 republicans, each getting five minutes. a fairly lengthy hearing ahead. we will have you live at 10:00 a.m. eastern on c-span three. also on c-span radio. we will re-air it tonight on c-span beginning at 8:00 eastern. thoughts,ting your our president trump's actions impeachable? if you think yes, that line is (202) 748-8000, if you think not, (202) 748-8001. we also welcome your text at (202) 748-8003. one of the attorneys not testifying today, head of the ceo of the national constitution testifying in the 1998 proceedings, here is jeffrey rose. many of youose, are concerned about establishing a double standard. why should ordinary standards be convicted of perjury for liv ying? while the president escapes punishment. if you ask your size -- exercise your subject not to impeach a presid

so, and this is true at the university of georgia, university of north carolina, university and uva. and those other three were actually founded -- they're older universities. they were founded in the 1780s and '90s and as early as the 19th century. yeah. >> two questions. one completely off the wall. you pointed out that jefferson made a choice of funding the university rather than k-12 -- >> right. >> that reminds me that in recent years development economists comparing asia, little tigers, and china to latin america have pointed out that a stylized -- [inaudible] the little tigers paid for k-12 and worry about the university at the end. latin america, the upper class -- >> yeah. >> is there anything -- >> it's a parallel story. >> so this is the earliest example i've found. >> yeah. >> and the other question is, it's my impression that the english colleges -- oxford, cambridge -- reformed to get the kids out of their boarding houses where there was no supervision and that within a generation the colleges managed to quiet the kids down quite a bit. the faculty, headmasters and adul

professors of harvard -- law professors of harvard law school, stanford law school, the university of north carolina school of law, and the george washington university of law school. follow the impeachment inquiry online at, c-span.org, or on the free c-span radio app. announcer: president trump is overseas and london for the annual nato summit with world leaders. on tuesday, he met with the secretary general of nato and took questions from reporters. secretary-general. will thank you very much. it is great to be with secretary stoltenberg with nato. we met many times. i think he's doing a fantastic job. i am a big fan. his contract was extended. i was very happy about that. i think the secretary-general will tell you that through some work and some negotiation we've increased the budget of countries other than the u.s.a., because we're paying far more than anybody else and far more even as a percentage of g.d.p., but we've increased the numbers that other countries have made by $130 billion. it was going down for close to 20 years. if you look at a roller coaster down. that was going on for a long

hate directed at turning point's charlie kirk as he attempted to lecture at the state university of north carolinaith his guest lara trump. he was being called a racist because apparently anyone with a different point of view or dairs to support president trump is labeled a racist. they couldn't actually say why. they just didn't want him there. doesn't think he has a right to exist. they say he's a fascist. the man who was attacked, charlie kirk, along with someone who has become all too familiar with this brand of hate. charlie, what do you have to say about that? people calling you a fascist. do you want to educate them on what fascism is? >> when we do our campus events, anyone who disagrees is allowed to come to the front of the line and ask any question they want to whatsoever. instead of having a conversation they were screaming outside because it made them feel good, not because it did good. this is virtue signaling in real-time. the university administration or college professors weren't encouraging the students to have dialogue and conversation. they couldn't say one thing i believe. it'

. >> michael, you're the professor of law at the university of north carolina school of law.ou think? >> i think the focus of the democrats will be on the evidence. the evidence is very strong. coming up with two articles makes a lot of sense to me. i think these are the strongest articles supported by the evidence that have been put forward. even with richard nixon in 1974, they didn't go with everything it had, it went with the three strongest articles it had. when you're focusing on the president of the united states, you don't want to present something where there's some disagreement or perceived weakness. here, the evidence is strong and what democrats are relying on. >> you've been reporting on the republicans now looking at a speedy trial and maybe not call witnesses. >> mitch mcconnell wants the senate trial to begin january 6th or 7th, that week, and wants it over very quickly, and unlike president trump he does not want live witnesses. we heard republicans have been calling the white house and telling the white house counsel, this is not to be turned into a circus.

that's hate direct at turning point charlie kirk as he attempted to lecture at the 8 university of north carolinaith lara trump. he's called a racist because anyone who has a didn't view and foreign policy -- you a different view on foreign some i and support president trump. they don't think he has a right to exist. they say he's -- they say he'sa fascist. charlie kirk and tomi lahren. what do have you to say about that. people calling you a fascist. >> little do they know that when we do our campus event at turning point u.s.a., anyone who disagrees are allowed to come to the front of the line and ask any question they want. but instead of coming in to have a conversation. they were screaming outside because it made them feel good, not because it did good. this is virtue signaling in real-time. the vfort administration or college professors weren't out encouraging the student to have meaningful conversation. they couldn't say one thing i believe. it's just inyou ebb dough and open-ended insults and things that are completely fake and false. when you don't talk to people, bad things start to hap

this is university of north carolina law professor michael gerhardt. >> if what we're talking about is not impeachable, then nothing is impeachable. this is precisely the misconduct that the framers created a constitution, including impeachment, to protect against. amy: the one constitutional scholar invited by the republicans disputed that trump's actions were sufficientt grounds for impeachment. this is george washington university law professor jonathan turley. >> i am concerned about lowering impeachment standards to fit a positive evidence and an abundance of anger. i believe this impeachment not only fails to satisfy the standard of past impeachment, but wouould create a dangerous precedent for future impeachments. amy: house speaker nancy pelosi is slated to give a public statement about the status of of the house impeachment inquiry today at 9:00 a.m. eastern time. telephone republican congress member devin nunes has sued cnn for over $400 million after cnn published a story detailing how nunes, the chairman of the house intelligence committee, traveled to vienna and met with a

noah feldman, a harvard law professor, pamela karlan, from the university of stanford and michael gerhardt from the university of north carolinans will call on jonathan churly, a law professor at george washington university were the four constitutional scholars will testify at the panel's first impeachment hearing. >> one of president's latest defenses against impeachment is misquoting ukraine president's remarks. >> the ukrainian president came out and said very strongly that president trump did absolutely nothing wrong. that should be case over. all you have to do is look at the words of the ukrainian president, that he just issued. and you know it is a hoax. >> and he reiterated this yet again in london, just about 30 minutes or so ago, but ukraine's president did not say that president trump quote did absolutely nothing wrong. that is not what he said. in the time magazine interview president trump is referring, to president zelensky was asked if there was a connection between trump's decision to block military aid to ukraine and the two investigations sought by president trump and his allies. zelensky denied a quid pro q

panel feature four law professors, three picked by democrats from harvard, stanford and university of north carolina. >> what we're talking about is not impeachable then nothing is impeachable. >> pamela carland started by firing back at georgia republican doug collins. >> i would like to say to you that i read transcripts of every one of the witnesses. i'm insulted by the suggestion that as a law professor i don't care about this fact. >> reporter: professor felton gave house democrats what they wanted. >> donald trump's conduct as described in the testimony and evidence clearly constitutes impeachable high crimes and misdemeanors under the constitution. >> reporter: the one republican witness, jonathan turley from george washington university admitted he did not vote for donald trump. he said the president's call with ukraine's president was anything but perfect in tissue this morning. >> to impeach a president on his record would impose every future president to the same type of inchoate impeachment. >> reporter: during republican questioning he wants congress about overstepping its authority. >>

harvard law school, pamela carlin of stanford law school and michael gerhardt from the university of north carolina school of law and jonathan turley of the george washington university law school follow the impeachment inquiry. c-span3, online on c-span.org or listen on the free c-span radio app. live tuesday on the c-span networks, the senate foreign relations committee looks at the future of u.s. policy toward russia. that is at 10:00 a.m. on c-span. at 2:00, the u.s. house return for work on several bills, including legislation involving u.s. citizenship for children of service members and civil servants born overseas. on c-span two the senate returns at 10:00 a.m. eastern to continue work on judicial and executive nominations. the senate armed services committee meets to review the privatized housing program. at 3:00, a senate judiciary subcommittee examines trademark system fraud. >> senator elizabeth warren held a town hall in iowa city on the campus of the university of iowa. by supportersuced and campaign organizers from the area, then spoken why she was running for president. she took que

yes, he committed -- one of the law professors, michael gerhardt of the university of north carolina w school said and probably the most dramatic moment of the morning session, if what we are talking about here is not impeachable then nothing is impeachable. he was a pretty strong performance by the three lawyers, if you will, for the prosecution. then you got the republicans. they brought in jonathan turley, a professor from george washington university law school. he was the only one the republicans questions so we had 45 minutes to himself. i have been trying to figure out whether he should be played by jimmy stewart to the movies or tom hanks. it was a very kind of quiet, all-american sense of fair mindedness. he said i didn't vote for donald trump. i don't think his phone call to the ukrainians was perfect, but he basically said there are two problems. one, you are in search of a crime and you found some things you don't like there isn't anything that could be defined as a crime by the legal standard. the second is speed. you're moving too fast. the countries and catching up with

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. >> that was university of north carolina law professor michael gerhardt. he joins us now.ch for being with us. why did you feel that was an important point to make? and when you say this is precisely what the founders intended to be the bar for impeachment, what precisely were you talking about? >> i was talking about the extent to which a president abuses his power for personal gain. corruption is one of the most important things that the framers were creating a constitution to protect against. and so when we have a record, a transcript and a whole plan that the president put together apparently, to apply pressure to the ukrainian president to get something that was important to the president personally, that's exactly the kind of thing that the framers were worried about. they were worried about our leaders becoming corrupt either by foreign influence or becoming -- being corrupt and then trying to enlist foreign help to help themselves. >> one of the things that professor turley talked about was he doesn't see any direct evidence or direct testimony. you just talked abo

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a law professor at the university of north carolina.'ll get to you react to this one short sentence from the president. more due process was afforded to those accused in the salem witch trials. >> well, that's pretty much the same as any other sentence in there which it's wrong. it's factually wrong. and as i read through that sentence as well as the rest of the letter, two things occur to me. one you can feel that he's beginning to feel the weight of history. at some point presidents are in a unique position to feel the impending judgment of history. this judgment of history for him is crushing. i think he's railing against it like a shakespearian figure in a way that i think is the concept of the constitution, constitutional projection. everything he's saying there to the other side can be said about him. you're attacking democracy. >> we're just getting in nancy pelosi's first reaction to the skaigt letter. let's take a quick break. we'll update you on that when we come back. so when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could

judiciary featuring constitutional law experts, three scholars from harvard, stanford, and the university of north carolina making the case for why president trump could be impeached while george washington university law professor jonathan turley who says while he did not vote for president trump warned against rushing for impeachment. tension is clearly building here on capitol hill and we just heard from the house republican leader kevin mccarthy who says this is all about democrats fearing they will lose the next presidential election. >> melissa: mike emanuel thank you. this is "outnumbered" and i'm melissa francis. today here is dagen mcdowell, iona college political science professor and tom dupree. he is outnumbered. let me ask you right out of the gate. that point that was made by speaker pelosi saying that by going to court, by challenging all of these things rather than handing over the documents that in and of itself is obstruction. with your legal opinion on that? >> my legal opinion is that it is nonsense. it cannot be obstruction to go to a judge and say we have a constitutional clash. the l

michael gerhardt is a law professor at the university of north carolina. ob alone to deal with the matter of impeachment. let's listen. >> the constitution says the house has the sole power to impeach. constitution only uses the word sole twice. once with reference to the house in this area. once with reference to the senate with respect to impeachment trials. sole means sole. >> what -- what question does that answer? >> it answers the question of who gets to define bribery in particular. there was a really interesting and important exchange between professors gerhardt and turley. professor gerhardt said the house, in its sole power to define bribery, can identify the president's conduct even if it didn't rise to the level of illegal crime because he said the framers wanted to prohibit bribery even before it was a federal crime. professor turley's response. it's got to meet the legal definition for a crime in order to be impeachable. and it's ultimately up to the supreme court to decide. and professor gerhardt's response, which i think is compelling, is th

the three called by democrats, said they were.ae migerhardt of the university of north carolina: >> ift we are talking abt is not impeachable, then nothing is impeachable. >> schifrin: pam karlan of stanford university. >> if you don't peach a president who has done what this president has done, then wt you're saying is, it's fine to go ahead and do this. >> schifrin: noah feldman of new harvard university: >> if we cannot impeach aus president who his office for personal advantage, we no longer live in a democracy. we live in a monarchy, or we live under a dictatorship.>> chifrin: republicans called george washington university's jonathan turley, who accused democrats of rushing to judgement without proving the president committed crimes. >> i'm concerned lowering paucity of evidence and anit a abundance of anger. i believe this impeachment noto only failstisfy the standard of past impeachments, but would create a dangerous precedent for future impeachments. >> schifrin: for two months, the house intelligence committee 'svestigated presint tru actions, and last night released a final

shot tackling a gunman at the university of north carolina charlotte.iend, lauren, shared a letter from lucas films to the howell family saying they'd like to create a character in howell's honor. they asked the family to keep it secret until later this year. saying riley's courage and selflessness brings out the je die in all of us. turns out lucas film has made howell a jed master and historian. in star wars the rise of sky walker, the visual dictionary. a book companion to the final movie of the sigh walker saga. >> it's still riley howell but it's spelled r-i-lee. and he is technically just like a jedi master historian who i guess has preserved these books. >> fitting for a young padowan who loved all things star wars. >> his fifth birthday was all star wars themed. his cake had a bunch of figurines on it. and he like named all of 'em. he like made everybody be quiet so he could name 'em all. >> mark hamel, the actor who played sky walker tweeted on christmas eve. this real-life hero has become jedi master riley howell in the official star wars cano

was michael garhart, constitutional law professor and he's now a law professor at the university of north carolina. but it is the same guy. 21 years between his two apeernlss apeern appearances at impeachment hearings. the clinton impeachment hearing also featured testimony from another witness who we heard from today. then and now george washington university law professor jonathan turley. >> if you decide that certain acts do not rise to impeachable offenses you will expand the space for executive conduct, and we will have to live with that expansion. >> that was the 1990s iteration of respected constitutional law professor jonathan turley arguing in the context then of the clinton impeachment that president clinton must be impeached otherwise every president will try to get away with this kind of stuff. today of course we saw the same professor jonathan turley arguing just as emphatically that right now we don't have to worry about those same things, that there's no real risk that president trump's behavior might legitimize future presidential misconduct if it is left unpunished. high did not a

picked by democrats from harvard, stanford and the university of north carolina. >> with what we are talking about is not impeachable, then nothing is impeachable. >> professor pamela karlan fired back at georgia republican doug collins. >> here mr. collins come i would like to say to you, sir, i read transcripts of every one of the witnesses. i'm insulted by the suggestion that as a law professor i don't care about the specs. professor noah feldman gave house democrats exactly what they wanted. >> president trump's conduct as described in the testimony and evidence clearly constitutes impeachable, high crimes and misdemeanors under the constitution. >> the one republican witness jonathan turley from george washington university admitted he did not vote for president trump. turley said the president's call of ukraine's president was anything but perfect and issue this morning. >> to impeach a president on this record would expose every future president to the same type of impeachment. >> during republican questioning, warning congress overstepping its authority. >> if you make a high

. >>> joining us to discuss, michael gerhardt, law professor at the university of north carolina, susan page for "usa today." michael, stalinesque, a little silly. whether you vote last night or today. so tell me about the vote today and then what happens after that vote next week. >> well, the vote is going to be historic. and that's what we've heard. this is -- but it's critical. we'll have the house judiciary committee vote to approve two articles of impeachment and then almost immediately they'll go to the floor. and then at that point it's up to speaker pelosi how the floor will be managed. and she'll coordinate all that timing and who speaks and how it gets done. >> michael, just one quick follow up on that. how normal or abnormal is it for the senate majority leader to work in, what he said, was lockstep essentially with the white house on a senate trial. is that normal? >> it is extremely unusual. we don't have a lot of experience with presidential impeachments, but this is the first time in history when the president was coordinating with a big block of people from his own part

michael gerhart from the university of north carolina school of law and jonathan turley of the george washington university law school. follow the impeach the inquiry. watch live on c-span3. online at c-span.org. or listen on the free c-span radio app. >>> c-span's campaign 2020 coverage continues friday with democratic presidential candidate pete buttigieg at a town hall meeting in iowa. he'll speak to students and supporters at grinnell college starting live at 5:30 p.m. eastern on c-span. and saturday, some of the democratic presidential candidates speak at a forum on labor issues. hosted by the international brotherhood of teamsters union in cedar rapids, iowa. live coverage gets under way at 3:00 p.m. also on c-span. sunday, remarks from vermont senator bernie sanders on the campus of simpson college in indianola, iowa. we'll speak with voters and supporters beginning live at 1:00 eastern on c-span. >>> the house will be in order. >> for 40 years, c-span has been providing america unfiltered coverage of congress, the white house, the supreme court, and public policy events from w

university. a b.a. in history, an m.a. in history and a j.d. from yale law school. michael garehart is a professor of jurisprudence at the university of north carolina school of law and director of unc's center for law and government. he's the author of many books, including federal impeachment process, the constitutional and historical analysis. as well as more than 50 law review publications on a diverse range of topics in constitutional law, federal jurisdiction and the legislative process. he received his j.d. from the university of chicago law school. his m.s. from the london school of economics, and his b.a. from yale university. jonathan turley is the maurice c. shapiro chair of public interest law at george washington university law school where he teaches torts, criminal procedure and constitutional law. after a stint at tulane law school, he joined the jw law faculty in 1990. in 1998 he became the youngest chaired professor in the school's history. he's written over three dozen academic articles for a variety of leading law journals and his articles on legal issues appear frequently in publications. he earned degrees from the university of

the 2nd one is expected to be the stanford law professor pamela karlan and then at the university of north carolina law professor michael ware had and another one called by republicans from george washington university law professor jonathan turley now the house judiciary committee. is led by the democratic committee chairman jerry nadler of new york who in his opening statement says the facts are undisputed saying president welcomed interference in the 26000 election he demanded in the 2020 election so it's supposed to be expected to be anyway very long afternoon in washington an evening if you're watching us here on al-jazeera let's bring back michael isikoff into the conversation he's chief investigative correspondent at yahoo news so michael we heard from the harvard law professor there what was the highlight for you in in his opening statement. well it was sort of historic whole. explanation of the grounds for impeachment why impeachment was put in the u.s. constitution and then of course professor feldman gave his analysis of why the evidence already qualifies for that standard of high crimes

c-span networks, including noah feldman from harvard law school, michael gerhart of the university of north carolinaool, jonathan turley from the george washington university law school, and pamela carlin of stanford law school. we will have live coverage wednesday at 10:00 a.m. eastern on c-span three online at c-span.org, or listen live on the -- on the free c-span radio app. the president has been invited to attend and have his legal counsel participate by asking questions, but president trump is in london for a nato summit. he was asked about that as he was leaving the white house this morning. pres. trump: we are going to london to nato. we are fighting for the american people.