of reparations especially you're an expert on reconstruction and what is the medallion on your suit? [laughter] >> the little pen is the james madison program's logo because i'm madison program at princeton university, one of the hats that i wear there. i do the initiative on politics and statesmanship for the james madison program. but, yes, all right. that's the pen, now -- >> that's based at princeton university, correct? >> yeah, the initiative and the james madison program itself are all part of princeton university especially the department of politics at princeton university. >> thank you. >> now focusing on that, you are going to have to remind me your first question. >> reparations. >> reparations, thank you usually comes up, i can almost -- most recently it came up an article written by nicole hannah jones in the wake of the 1619 project and just before that by coats and both of these were passionate arguments on behalf of reparations, passionate though they are, i have some questions and hesitations here because on the one hand the payment of reparations is something which seems to be normal. we have, in fact, engaged in reparations payments for a number of groups which have suffered har