. for more information on the isolation of the israeli regime in africa, you have contacted as sodani, his lecturer of african politics at the university of south africa. thank you for your time sir today. um, thank you, thank you very much. and good evening to the viewers and thank you for inviting me, thank you for inviting you to come over. we also have shakiru yekini, the executive secretary island muslim community nigeria and former executive director center for global peace initiative. thank you for your time saturday. thank you for having. now let's start off with mr. solani in south africa. now south africa has taken a very commendable move to recall his diplomats from tel aviv to protest the israeli regime's genocidal war on gaza. what's the significance of this move? thank you very much. i think it is a very very important and the bold move by the south africa, quite quite long over. move, it se to send a strong message around the need for a speedy response to this genocide in in in the palestine land and it's a very important and significant because south africa has better understanding of what it means to be in a particular position

and in pretoria kelly bow ha, putting a professor of african politics at the university of south africa, a will welcome to interview joe to 90. i'd like to start with you. let's cut to the chase as a format for administer. you know, well, very well the machinations of diplomacy. so before we get to the nitty gritty of jordan's position, generally, how serious do you think that all these diplomatic withdrawals of israel showed israel when israel paid them as a warning wouldn't make any difference as to how they proceed. do you think of a function they are little bit concerned about them, but probably they will not dispute with this cut on the government from continuing with the same uh with the same um genocide that it is now practicing so far. we just have the from nothing now that he is going to take care of all the security and gets that for an indefinite period of time. this is just a life with the multiple life, but the, another word for, for a quick occupation. and so therefore, instead of uh, allowing me, the 1st thing is to feed them to have their own ski is now controlling more,

of course that was not the whole story. in south africa, european immigrants in the land black ancestors designed a new system, and in the same year the universal declaration of human rights was approved, the apartheid system was established. in the new south african system, blacks were not allowed to sit next to whites, not in school, on public transport, in recreation centers, not even in public toilets. they had no role in voting and choosing their fate, and almost all the horror stories of the black era of slavery in the 19th century are now true. it was done in the 20th century and in front of the eyes of the united nations. in the same year that eleanor roosevelt gave birth to the declaration of human rights. at in those years, among all the countries of the world, only three countries had maintained extensive economic, industrial, scientific, political and military relations with the regime of racial exile in south africa. england. america and the occupying regime of jerusalem. israel even went as far as nuclear cooperation with the south african regime. now israel had found a close ally against the arabs. but all this was not very impor

of the universal declaration of human rights adopted in 1948. that same year, the nakba occurred and apartheid was adopted in south africa. see because of the consisted international human rights approach in the u.n. and interested community that apartheid in south africa fell. we did not take the same approach in palestine. we deferred to these political processes and as a result not only have we not seen an end, we have seen a continuing worsening of the situation. amy: you are a long time lawyer. i what you to respond -- i played this already for yousef hammash in gaza right now in khan younis to respond, but i would like you to respond to it as well. after israel's attack on jabalia yesterday, the idf spokesperson appeared on cnn, was interviewed by wolf blitzer. >> you know there are a lot of refugees, citizen civilians, men, women, and children in that refugee camp as well, right? >> this is a tragedy of war. we have been saying for days, civilians are not involved with hamas please move -- >> you knew there were civilians. you knew there were refugees but you decided still to drop a bomb on that refugee camp, attem

cessation of all collaboration between belgian universities and the academic world of israel, to to further isolate it in the way that has been done back in the 1980s with party regime in south africa, sure, well um, we need to also talk about the um plans that the us had when it comes to west asia, some call it the middle east, but before we get to that, i have to ask you this rick sterling because uh this has made some news um the us actress and activist cynthian nixon uh going a hunger strike along with what apparently are um some other activists and also state legislators in front of the white house uh she is very well aware of what is happening to the gosons now this is not to highlight her but to highlight what she's saying but uh in addition to that when you have uh many she's one of many actor and actresses that have come out, does the us president and the white house realize, do they realize the type of support worldwide that palestine has gained and how tainted the image of israel has become, and i use this as one example, do you think that this has rattled their cages or not? i i don't think they fully realize it, but they definitely partially realize it, because the the

cessation of all collaboration between belgian universities and the academic world of israel to to further isolate it in the way that has been done back in the 1980s with party in south africa, sure, well um, we need to also talk about the um plans that the us had when it comes to west asia, some call it the middle east, but before we get to that uh, i have to ask you this rick sterling, because uh, this has made some news, um, the us actress and activist cynthian nixon uh going a hunnger strike along with uh what apparently are um uh some other activists and also state legislators in front of the white house. uh, she is very well aware of what is happening to the gosons. now this is not to highlight her, but to highlight what she's saying, but uh, in addition to that, when you have - many, she's one of many actors and actresses that have come out, does the us president and the white house realize, do they realize the type of support worldwide that palestine has gained and how tainted the image of israel has become come and i use this as one example, do you think that this has rattled their cages or not? i don't think they fully realize it, but they definitely partially rea

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realize is that same year 1948 at the universal declaration was adopted, was also the year of the knock book in palestine. and the creation of apartheid in south africa. you and held a very principal norm based law based line on apartheid in south africa until it felt that is not the approach that the one is taken in palestine particularly since also there has been a kind of about face that has moved away from the normative law based approach into one that the 1st 2 political expediency and powerful political forces that i think had is in large measure responsible for the continued deterioration of the situation in palestine. as i thought i needed to put on the record how far we were slipping from this normative obligation of the organization, what i thought the impacts of that were and what i think should should happen next . you were fed up by what's been up. let's get through a little bit of this letter. this letter that you wrote, a scathing, i can't think of another word for it. there's a lot to take out of this, but one part is that you say, what is real is doing. not only in gods, but also in the west bank and in occupied east jerusalem is and

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of the universal declaration of human rights, adopted in 1948. that same year, the nakba occurred in palestine, and apartheid was adopted in south africa.e have seen, because of a consistent international law and international human rights approach in the u.n. and the international community, that apartheid in south africa fell. we did not take the same approach in palestine. we've deferred to these political processes. and as a result, not only have we not seen an end to the oppression of the palestinian people, we've seen a continuing worsening of the situation. amy: so, you're a longtime human rights lawyer. i want you to respond, i played this already for yousef hammash in gaza right now, in khan younis, to respond, but i'd like you to respond to it, as well. after israel's attack on jabaliya yesterday, the idf spokesperson, israeli defense forces spokesperson, lieutenant colonel richard hecht, appeared on cnn and was interviewed by wolf blitzer. >> but you know that there are a lot of refugees, a lot of innocent civilians, men, women and children, in that refugee camp, as well, right? >> this is the tragedy of war, wolf. i mean, we

university of bath here in the uk and via skype from duplin. muhammad desai, director of africa for palestine, the continent's largest palestine solidarity human rights organization, and co-founder of boycott, devestment and sanctions south africa. muhammed of course wears many other hats, he is in duplin, but he's based in south africa. welcome to you both, let me start with you, uh, matthew, well, this is now the second month um, of the israeli bombardment of the gaza strip, and of course the killing. that are going on in the west bank, your reflections so far uh, well my reflections are that it is a uh not just major humanitarian disaster, but also a very significant geopolitical issue which is going to have ramifications for um years if not decades to come. um, i think it's interesting and perhaps even encouraging uh that there is huge backlash to what israel is doing and huge cry for peace. um, even in my own home city of... bath, which is very small sea conservative, lib dem um uh city uh, for the first time in 10 years, for the first time since the occupy movement, if you remember if you remember that, um, the anti-wall street movement, for the first time in 10 years, there were protests on the street, just a coup

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