. >> i think using technology more effectively inside the universityo contain the cost increases that we've had. so being able to use leverage the professors efforts to deal with larger numbers of students and have different ways of actually developing intensive learning. so in other words what some of us are now calling fliping where the professors' lectures are basically viewed before you come to class. you come to class and discuss them. this allows one professor to probably deal with a lot of people and have lots of people involved in the discussion sections. i think there are bound to be other ways as we -- technology will allow us to find ways to save but it's an expensive proposition. >> rose: is tenure a necessary thing? >> you know, it's probably on balance an institution worth having because it does -- it does give people security from being essentially disciplined for their points of view. i think the basic rationale for tenure was to ensure academic freedom for those who've essentially earned the right to be -- >> rose: you don't sound that enthusiastic about it. >> well,