no country has a mow moply unjustice and wrongful convictions happener where. is not a question of nationality or -- or location as much as it is one of a really horrific miss karnl of justice. and she and her family and supporters are hoping this gets reversed. and we're a long way off. >> i want to get into what's next. how do you have any confidence that you can successfully fight to clear her name when you have seen how this legal process has continued? >> well, you know, i -- i use the term hope because i believe she feels and the family feels at someplace there will be a recognition of the truth. and a recognition that there is absolutely no evidence today, there was no evidence before, and there never will be any evidence of her guilt. >> how far out do you think that is? these next steps are months in the coming. >> oh, more than that. we're probably, you know, i would guess probably a year away before the next, you know, proceeding. so you know, again, you know, there's fortitude, there's resilien resilience there's a recognition that she's not guilty.