city officials cannot and should not accept year to year increases that are unjustified and under reported. as has been noted $87 million has been collected by kaiser over and above the services that has been provided to city workers. what we are asking for is for the the board and this committee to do something other than simply approve the rate. see if the country contract can be extended. hold something back. do something. >> thank you. >> good afternoon. my name is james thomas. i'm a member of the 10-1 and also a city employee for 30 years and a member of kaiser. over the past 4 years, folks in san francisco have furloughs and wage decreases. yet, kaiser with 40 percent of the large group market continues to want in a market for goods and services that none of us can do without. as one of hhf commissioners, kaiser is simply refusing to negotiate based on an hhf analyst showing the response to our utilization to increase rates and raise fees. the city should turn the tables by approaching a 2014 equal with the board approve and take back to kaiser, take it or leave it. >> thank you ver

this is completely unjustified. another issue brought up, let's not do it now, let's do it later. i don't think it's a difference. it's the same process with the same time lines and the same process that's going to come up. you need to take a stand now. >> hi, i'm a retired city employee. judy. the speaker brought up that we can continue kaiser and what i heard them say is that we would make some arrangements if that happened. i also heard other people say that they factor, the law will go into plan one if you don't pass this. you have no option to put the whole group into plan 1 whether they want to be in kaiser or otherwise. so, i think you have a choice between passing this through and dealing with the problem later or having everyone go into plan one. the labor unions have other options too they are not bringing up. they can do a caesar chavez no grapes boycott, kaiser end up in one blue shield and why a boycott makes their point very clear and bring kaiser to the table with that sort of power play. i don't know much about all of this, but that's all i have been able to gather

manslaughter by act basically is an unjustifiable killing. so what they're going to do is say this isn't self-defense. and if it is not self-defense, then it is by definition an unjustifiable killing, and it is by definition manslaughter. and it all comes down to the jury deciding whether or not george zimmerman felt in fear of his life or serious bodily injury, and whether that fear was reasonable. if they say yes, then it's self-defense and he is acquitted. if they say no, it's an unjustifiable killing and it's manslaughter by act. >> mr. davis, i expected to hear from the prosecution today, and maybe i'll hear it in rebuttal. that part of the argument where he says we believe we have proven beyond a reasonable doubt second-degree murder. however, ladies and gentlemen, if you conclude otherwise, then you've certainly got to find that manslaughter has been proven in this case. do you think that he went a little soft on that? and is he leaving manage in the tank, he the prosecutor, for his rebuttal time? >> most certainly he may have missed t

manslaughter by act is basically an unjustifiable killing. so what they're going to do is say this isn'tselves defense, and it is by definition an unjustifiable killing and by definition a manslaughter. it all comes down to a jury deciding whether or not george zimmerman felt in fear of his life on serious bodily injury. he's if they say no it's ahn unjustifiable killing and it's manslaughter by act. >> maybe i'll hear it in rebuttal, that part of the argument where he says we believe we have proven beyond a reasonable degree murder. however, ladies and gentlemen, if you conclude otherwise, then you certainly have to find that manslaughter has been proven in this case. do you think he went soft in that? is she leaving something in the tank for his rebuttal time. >> most certainly he may have missed the mark on that, but it's quite possible that he might need that to bring it home, as they say in rebuttal time. they have their theory of the case, they are seasoned prosecutors, we are all here discussing them in the monday morning quarterback m

and i think you should go before the whole board, open to public input on whether or not this is unjustified discrimination by gender. >> supervisor cohen: the bell that rang indicate your public comment is up. i would like the district attorney to talk about public notice. >> ken drew, deputy city attorney through chair; this matter is governed by internal code relations and all that is required is that a publication, and that is be published in a newspaper of general circulation for years we have used the chronicle and or the examiner. the legal requirements are clearly met here and i should also add that there are no city funds that will be used for this project. but the city is doing is allowing its tax exemption to be used to issue bonds but no city monies will be used for this madam chair. >> supervisor cohen: thank you for the clarification. t think that answers your question. are there any other members of the public that would like to speak? seeing none, public comment is closed. (gavel) motion to move to the full board. unanimously passed without objection. madam clerk -- >> (off m

kaiser has a problem about not being transparent by unjustifying this huge increase. my hope is that we are keeping this out there like you laid out the plan in that, but i guess i resent this putting it to us that we have to approve it when it's clearly not justified at least with the documentation that we have. that's the frustration that i have. >> all right. i appreciate we are going to have some comments during this conversation. we have procedures here at the board of supervisors not to applaud. if you have comments, you have a chance to speak. i appreciate you not disrupting the dialogue. thank you. >> i appreciate that comment and i think you are echoing the comments of the health services and the health service board. >> the last item i suggest some action plans many and we are negotiating for 2015. it makes us responsible for the risk. there is an enormous amount of risk to assume and we have to evaluate that very carefully. we are also looking at cost options or continued options for cost competitive of all the alternatives for in the potential that we have

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would have to show that mr zimmerman attacked martin because of his race and that the attack was unjustified even if this federal prosecution doesn't come to bear similar men may still face a civil lawsuit from trayvon martin's family but clearly as we see from the pictures and the photographs that have been put on line and from what i witnessed myself in new york city there is a lot of aggravation and anger surrounding the ruling in this case the keys to the fatal shooting of seventeen year old trayvon martin. protests across the country we talked to professor lisa from the university of minnesota who will be attending a rally in her studies and she believes in women's acquittal is in line with the racial bias of the entire u.s. legal system. all that data shows just system in this country is racial from the moment of impact police arrest more people older and white people. are convicted in greater numbers they serve sentences that are longer and there are greater numbers of people who are in prisons in the united states given in terms of their population so you wouldn't have all that data

you know unjustified support for israel's illegal actions and in palestine you know these are all policy prescriptions that are doable so long as there is political will in washington but they don't want to do it because it they would have to be relinquishing their own power and control so they are saying to themselves and to the american people we will keep you at risk of al-qaeda attacks john that's a jumpy johnny max i have to jump is we're going to go into it we're going to have a short break and out to a short break we'll continue our discussion on terrorism state party. lisa bloom. is. here is mitt romney trying to figure out the name of that thing that the americans call a don't. miss the guy here's my new song. you know what it is my son. wants us to defeat terrorism be a liberal and the truth. all i can secure bill is something that's. going to look for going to distract us from what you and i should care about because there are profit driven industry that sells us sensationalistic garbage because that breaking news i'm having martin and we're going to break this that the kids.

would have to show that mr zimmerman attacked martin because of his race and that the attack was unjustified even if this federal prosecution doesn't come to bear zimmerman may still face a civil lawsuit from trayvon martin's family but clearly as we see from the pictures and the photographs that have been put on line and from what i witnessed myself in new york city there is a lot of aggravation and anger surrounding the ruling in this case the keys to kill the people shooting seventeen year old trayvon martin. from new york with the latest marina thank you very much indeed. and michael is see a web page as a former office and they know sanjay is pleased about meant and let's get his thoughts on this particular a shape at the center but thank you very much indeed for joining us right now so it's in the her a very complicated case to say the least well the problem with the validate now if the jury thought there wasn't enough to prove that is a man committed a second degree matt. well i have a lot of experience historically and personally with trials in cases like this and this is not the fir

you know unjustified support for israel's illegal actions and in palestine you know these are all policy prescriptions that are doable so long as there is political will in washington but they don't want to do it because it they would have to be relinquishing their own power and control so they are saying to themselves and to the american people we will keep you at risk of al-qaeda attacks john and that's a jumpy johnny max i have to jump ears we're going to go into it we're going to have a short break and out to a short break we'll continue our discussion on terrorism say. the least. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else you hear or see some other part of it and realized everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm tired of the big picture. speak your language any form of the will inevitably end. news programs and documentaries in spanish matters to you. a little turn to angles the stories. you hear. spanish find out more visit. download the official location to choose your language stream quality and enj

you know unjustified support for israel's illegal actions and in palestine you know these are all policy prescriptions that are doable so long as there is political will in washington but they don't want to do it because that they would have to be relinquishing their own power and control so they are saying to themselves and to the american people we will keep you at risk of al-qaeda attacks john that's a jumpy johnny max i have to jump ears we're going to go into it we're going to have a short break and after a short break we'll continue our discussion on terrorism state park to. leave the city. i've seen the perception of the cross many times it doesn't matter if there's snow a heat wave or hail stones people keep on going well i didn't expect anything just one i told myself i keep on going as long as my heart told me to that's all i want to do the moment i. am carrying these sayings on my. do you want me to put a man in chair no that's fine a lot of people were so exhausted they could barely walk their feet hurt and some of them fainted with the evacuee three two wanted to keep going

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that's how unjustified and unjustifiable this prosecution turned out to be. >> i want you to stay withif you can. i want to ask you about the possibility that the feds may bring new charges. this is a very big case and we want one more input from the judge before we let him go. that's coming up next. [ male announcer ] this is kevin. to prove to you that aleve is the better choice for him, he's agreed to give it up. that's today? [ male announcer ] we'll be with him all day as he goes back to taking tylenol. i was okay, but after lunch my knee started to hurt again. and now i've got to take more pills. ♪ yup. another pill stop. can i get my aleve back yet? ♪ for my pain, i want my aleve. ♪ [ male announcer ] look for the easy-open red arthritis cap. >>> still a it wag for eric holder to address the naacp. i want to bring back in judge nepal tnapolitano. the fdi did their investigation. s they issued a document saying there was no racial prejudice.e. the fdi did their investigation. they issued a document saying there was no racial prejudice.p. the fdi did their investigation. they issu

our rights enshrined by the constitution, but backs of violence and killings are condemned and unjustified. >> we go now to cairo to sharif abdel kouddous. his most recent article for the nation magazine is "egyptians to morsi: 'we don't want you'." square where it is very noisy. welcome back. talk about what is happening and the significance of these protests across egypt over the weekend. me,s you can hear behind there are still thousands of protesters in tahrir square and the presidential palace. what happened yesterday was one of the largest protests, some are calling in the largest in egypt's history, hundreds of thousands if not millions of people taking to the streets, filling tahrir square, the presidential palace, and not just in cairo, but in alexandria, cities across the delta. a massive display of dissent that shows the revolutionary spirit in egypt is very much alive. ons came, as you mentioned, the first anniversary of the inauguration of mohamed morsi. he was elected one year ago with a 51% majority against a stalwart of the former regime. since then there has been growing p

people go through for know reason, telling families how death unexpectedly, unnecessarily, and unjustifiably visited a loved one. i've been in the trenches prosecuting crime, crusading to give victims a voice, sentencing criminals, fighting to put dirtbags in the cages where they belong. hello and welcome to justice. i'm judge jeanine pirro. thanks for being with us tonight. >>> this week rolling stone magazine threw salt on the wounds of 267 victims and countless americans, many already suffering from ptsd by putting the photo of boston bomber dzhokhar tsarnaev looking like a rock star any kid would want to emulate on the cover of their magazine. their justification? >> we were trying to sort of draw this contrast between the person everyone thought they knew and the person he became. >> judge jeanine: really? now, you guys understand language better than most. if you're really trying to contrast the all-american student to the boston bomber, why not show the student and then the bomber, like this? instead of just an innocent-looking teen. and what's that? you don't have room on the cover f

haveut to leap in order toor get george zimmerman into federal courtderl proving the attack wass unjustified and based on race. so many people attempted to sign a petition on the naacp websitee calling for the filing ofling federal charges, that the site eventually crashed. will. >>> paul wagner in the newsroom. >>> what is next in the george zimmerman case?zimmer we have a panel of discussion today, lin with verna bay, and the george, and the president os the d.c. chapper o chapter of t. i want to thank you for being here today. >> they are calling for federall charges to be brought dependence george zimmerman. they are saying that this casese was about race, and george zimmerman profiled trayvonayvon martin. >> what is the naacp position on this? >> the naacp position is urging the department of justice to investigate, but also urging them to file charges because this was a civil rights violation against tra trayvonvon martin. >> a short time ago, u.s. attorney general eric holder announced he and the justice department shared the concern about the entire nation, becaus, of this case. we a

i think what happened there is unju unjustifiable, it not okay to have the screening left or right, where you are targeted in any ways for your views. there's no political official that condoned it or authorized it. >> let me ask you about that, carter hull, an irs official, told congress this week that he was ordered to send tax exempt status papers to the irs chief office. he was a political appointee and he reports to your office, have you asked william wilkins the irs chief council appointed by president obama, what involvement he had in this? >> there's 1600 lawyers in the chief council's office and there was no suggestion that it went to the one political person in that office. there's no evidence of it. there has been no evidence of it. >> have you asked him? >> chris of course i'm leading the investigation to the proper -- i've leaving the investigation to the proper people who conduct the investigation. it's not appropriate for me to do the investigation. >> someone in the treasury department -- has someone in the treasury department asked william wilkins about what happen inside

yes, it is tragic when you have a 17-year-old killed and it appears unjustifiably so, imagine the is a neighbor yo where you hear a noise, you see somebody climbing through your window and you shoot them. turns out your daughter had called her boyfriend and said, come over, i left the window open. clearly nobody would send you to prison for that, this is a vastly different scenario, but it's the same test, you look to see what the perception was of the person at the time they used deadly force. if the jury agrees that he was acting reasonably in his mind when he thought he was going to suffer serious bodily injury, and it was reasonable for him to use deadly force, they will find him not guilty because of self-defense. if they disagree, he will be convicted of manslaughter. >> this case is so fascinating to people, and being so widely watched around the world in fact. and i talked to people in britain, they're gripped by it. it cuts to everything, doesn't it? it cuts to guns, to race, to society, to self-defense. so many pillars of american life colliding in one courtroom right now.

manslaughter would have flown, because manslaughter in florida is basically an unjustifiable killing.ification is if it's self-defense or not. the jury, if they disagreed with self-defense, he would have -- >> five are in agreement. go ahead, last word in this segment. >> retried this case or use this opportunity. jason, i agree with you, we do have to have an honest conversation about race in america. the president had a beer summit. we need to hear from him on this, but to say that black men commit more crimes in a disproportionate way, they don't commit them, they are convicted more. we have imprisoned more black men in america than at the height of apartheid, and we have to address this. >> why are we taking away the statistics. blacks and whites use -- >> i'm talking about -- >> jason. >> are you suggesting the prisons are full of innocent black men? >> our criminal justice system is biassed against black men in america? >> the black man runs the criminal justice system in the country. and he reports to another black man. how we can address this, the president has not enforced an

i think that what happened there is unjustifiable. it is not acceptable to have the kinds of screenings from left or right liberal or conservative where you're targeted in any way for your views. there's no political official who condoned it or authorized it. >> an irs official told congress this week that he was ordered to send applications from two tea party groups for tax exempt status to send them to the chief counsels office. as a political appointee, he reports to you, to your office. have you asked william wilkins the irs chief counsel appointed by president obama what involvement he or his office had in this? >> to be clear, there are 1600 lawyers in the chief counsel's office. and there was no suggestion that this went to the one political person in that office. there's no evidence of it. there has been no evidence of it. >> wait a minute. have you asked him? >> chris, i'm leaving the investigation to the proper people who do investigations. i don't think it's appropriate for me to do the investigation. there are a lot of --

manslaughter would have flown, the one they charge manslaughter by act is basically an unjustifiableing. the justification is if it's self-defense or not. the jury if they disagreed it was self-defense he would have been convicted of manslaughter based on self-defense. >> five in agreement. >> we can sit here or retry this case or juice this opportunity. jason, i agree with you. we do have to have an honest conversation about race in america. the president had a beer summit with skip gates in massachusetts. we need to hear from him on this. but to say that black men commit more crimes in a disproportionate way. they don't commit them. they are convicted more. we have imprisoned more black men in america -- let me finish. we have right now imprisoned more black men in america than at the height of apartheid. that is not justice. [ overlapping speakers ] >> when you look at the fact that black and whites -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> jason brought it up. let him respond. >> why are you suggesting -- >> i am suggesting our criminal justice system is biassed against black men in america

especially from friends of mine who never told me before how they've been stopped unjustifiably, have been humiliated for no reason at all except skin color and ethnicity. but i have to say since this is my job that politics matters too, not just the courts. if you want to affect laws, not just about voter i.d. but about stand your ground and things like that, you got to get control of the state legislatures or the other side is going to do what it feels like doing. a.b. stoddard, are you amazed watching these people so flagrantly admit they're doing it with the effect of helping their party screw the democrats and obama and minorities to boot. >> i really think if you look at their comments and if you look at the demographic changes in many states throughout the nation but particularly in the south wit remains the last sort of republican strong hold where state legislatures because of the supreme court are now free. mostly republican controlled to do what they want to further restrict voting, i think this is long-term a very difficult issue for republicans and a good issue for the de

and it is completely unjustified and unnecessary. now, why am i all over this story? i want to explain the coverage on the ed show. this, my friends, is a live government takeover. right before our eyes. we are seeing local elections being circumvented. we are seeing people being put in place that have authority. not by way of the people and making additions that affect peel's lives. that is a government takeover. the voices of the people are not being heard in any of this. although we are being told by snyder that they'll have a seat at the table. that's hog wash. meanwhile we have some breaking news on the ed show tonight. conservatives are angry with me. righties are upset because i correctly said, republican policies trashed the city of detroit and it did. trashed is the right word. this week roughly 35 articles were written about my detroit commentary on this program last weekend. and most of the reports cherry picked a few sentenced and failed to mention and missed my main point. exfox news host glenn beck even highlighted it. >> here's the thing about detroit.

she's got a bad rap, unjustifiably so, by giving out additional information as she was asked questions>> a big day of developments in the george zimmerman trial and we'll have more on the trial coming up after this. stay tuned. you're watching msnbc. ♪ take me into your darkest hour ♪ ♪ and i'll never desert you ♪ ♪ i'll stand by you yeaaaah! yeah. so that's our loyalty program. you're automatically enrolled, and the longer you stay, the more rewards you get. great! oh! ♪ i'll stand by you ♪ won't let nobody hurt you ♪ isn't there a simpler way to explain the loyalty program? yes. standing by you from day one. now, that's progressive. thsave on sleep train's train's 4tmost popular mattress sets. plus, pay no interest for 36 months on tempur-pedic and icomfort. sleep train's 4th of july sale ends sunday. ♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ >>> there are two people involved here. one of them is dead and the other one is a liar. >> as the charge for acquittal came strong from the defense and, of course, it was denied. let's go to msnbc's kerry sanders who is outside the courthouse.

out today and showed that 87% of african-americans think that the shooting of trayvon martin was unjustified, but only 33% of whites think so. we have a huge racial divide that needs attention. >> but here you have senator john mccain from a state that certainly supports the rights of gun owners. he says, listen, this may require us to look at this again. he's not looking at it from the perspective of a young black man. he's looking at it as an elected politician who believes it's time to have this conversation. >> every now and then john mccain surprises me and us and becomes a maverick again. i think this is one of those maverick-like statements. we'll see where this goes, though. i think it's very difficult, tamron, for anyone who's really responsibly looking at this issue to think there isn't some need to rein in these laws. anyone who's looking at it reasonably -- i know that florida governor rick scott met with some of the protesters last weekend and the protesters left feeling that he wasn't going to budge on the issue. >> well, he stated it clearly that he continues to support the st

claims, at least with the manslaughter charge, that he may have been mounted but this was still an unjustified manslaughter killing? where does that fill in? it seems like what the defense has done well as an act of lawyering is really take this on and poke so many holes that everyone in the courtroom here -- forget the media -- the courtroom seems to be spinning on the axes of a story line. is it possible he could be mounted and it still be manslaughter? >> let's get paul in. >> i think it's absolutely possible. as we all know, we've all seen fights. i think that maybe at the moment trayvon was shot, he could have been on top. as you know in a fight, you roll back and forth. there could have been times when zimmerman was on top as well. you see one of the things that the prosecution did with that witness was really try and limit him to the specific things he could talk about, which is just the gunshot. so that's why they were really asking him and pushing him, hey, you didn't consider all of these other versions of the story, you didn't consider all of these other possibilities. you only cons

there are a lot of people that believe he went after them in an unjustified way.loomberg would agree with that as well. i do think that this will be an issue at the end of the day. i think he still wins, but this is a very legitimate issue. wall street brings in so much money for new york city. it's at the heart of its tax base. it funds so many programs. it it it keeps schools open that would normally be closed if wall street weren't there. look at detroit and that's basically what happens when you have the heart of a city ripped out. i'm not saying that's bha -- i'm not saying that's what spitzer wants to do. i'm just saying everybody hates wall street. but in new york city, that's the heart of your tax base and that's why the city runs as well as it does as far as all of that revenue going in there. it is a delicate balance. >> delicate is the right word because also it should be subject to scrutiny. should it not? >> yes, it should. this is just a question of whether eliot spitzer was overly zealous or not. that's up to the voters and i think they are going to

i think what happened there is unjustifiable.t is not acceptable to have the kind of screening for left or right where you are too targeted for your views. connell: too much for moving on. a good chance to kind of put this together both politically and economically. i said at the top, it is a huge week for the economy. first the politics and the obama administration's strategy. [ laughter ] >> after that exchange with chris wallace, wallace try to press him on whether the political appointees at the irs is even a question in this investigation. he could not even get a straight answer. jack lew was there not there yesterday to talk about jobs being created, everything going fine. all of these scandals are phony. if they are phony, so is the economic recovery. connell: in what way? >> in the fourth year of an economic recovery. 7.6% unemployment. labor participate is at a 30 year low. what is the president doing? he is out traveling across the country. talking to adoring audiences about raising the minimum wage. i do not think he g

and we already said it was bad strategy, badly done, unjustifiable, we admitted it, we confessed to thet. we don't do it anymore. that's live. >> would you have quit if they separated the chairmanship from the ceo? >> no. i was very clear, i would never leave my company high and dry. i wouldn't have liked it, but i would never would have left the company high and dry. that decision about the chairman and ceo is the board's decision. >> but you care about the stock. the stock would go down if that happened. >> if they separated the role? >> yeah. >> i think it might have gone down because that creates so much uncertainty inside a company. you know, why did a ceo leave? is there dissension at the board level? my board -- the point my board made is that this should be a board decision based upon their knowledge of the company, the people, succession. it shouldn't be rogue. there's no evidence to separate it works at all. but again, for the audience out there, if you're a shareholder, here's what's important. the board meets every single time without me. the board sets the whole agenda. the

and unjustified concurrencey estimates for the program. it cuts another $112 million due to an overstatement of army travel requirement. the bill rescinds $443 million for c-27-j aircraft. the bill contained a significant amount of language and robust funding for initiatives to respond to sexual assault in the armed services. sexual assault in any circumstance is unacceptable and maddening. the fact it is prevalent within the military is even more so because of the standard to which our men and women in uniform hold themselves. these are individuals who are committed to give their last full measure of devotion to our nation, who in order to be effective to unconditionally -- in order to be unconditionally trusting of each other. though i strongly support the efforts contained in this bill, they are aimed mainly at offender accountability and caring for victims. even though a comprehensive solution to this issue lies outside the services, it is imperative that the proper attitudes and training start during the recruitment process for the of

these cuts are unjustified and wrong.o we make sure that that part of the voice, of religion, emerges on to the public stage more clearly? >> i have to say, first of all, that this is not a new movement. if we look back a hundred years, it was the religious leaders who decided, okay, i have people dying in my congregation. and i have to -- and they're dying because they're poor. what does the gospel say about that? and haas how we got the social gospel movement and a lot of the enactments like food stamps, like social security. a lot of that came out of the church's push, saying, we need a society that represents our moral values. >> your last nation is raushenbush for a reason. and it is, in fact, the work of christianity and the social crisis that was part of, kind of tweaking the american consciousness around inequality initially. >> that's right. and if you look at the catholic bishops today and if you look at a broad section. i mean, evangelicals, white evangelicals are getting behind immigration issues and they are