your number five movie is the unknown nona. -- known. >> it would be easier if you could treat peopleame. then you would not have to interrogate anybody. you could house them someplace. would that have been a responsible thing for the president to do? no. >> it is a documentary. he did the movie the "fog of war." he gives donald rumsfeld no concessions at all. you forget his turning questions around. it is a different kind of experience. you do not get that cathartic confession. it is almost a better movie because of it. it raises the ire. >> i saw that movie and i missed that catharsis, i missed the moment. you feel like you are wrestling with a slippery snake. >> it is almost more satisfying cinematically. >> number four on your list, "selma." a movie i have not seen, but it has generated controversy. talk about why you liked it and we will talk about the controversy surrounding it. >> it is unacceptable to keep us voiceless. >> this is strongest when it looks like these political maneuverings. it is really less about the big speeches and the big moments. it is more about the kind o