agrees that president trump should withdraw these claim that millions of voters passed ballots unlawfully because frankly it threatens the integrity of his own victory in november. >> i believe deeply that we should have conversations about voting in our country that are supported by data . that are supported by evidence and when we do that, we know that there are up to 40 percent of americans who didn't participate in november and that many americans are left with states making it hard for people to vote. we need a conversation that focuses on reforms like same day voter registration. and early voting opportunities, making those more widespread, free registration opportunities for 16 and 17-year-old. >> this is the kind of conversation we should be having in our democracy today, one that focuses on how do we get all americans access to the ballot box? >> on twitter, mark stone has this question, how do we know there is no voter fraud if we never studied it? >> it has been studied. the center was already today looking at 10 counties across our country with the largest numbers of nine perc

they are here unlawfully.that's the president's directive under the executive order that we will take enforcement action against all removable aliens. the point is if you don't want those who are not criminals to be arrested, the idea is don't make us go to the homes or public places or other agent where we have to affect these arrests do to carry out our mission. let's have it in a safe and secure jail environment where we can transfer custody for the officer safety, for the alien safety and for public safety. we would encourage greater cooperation and i think the chief for his cooperation with ice and those other jurisdictions that want to cooperate with ice, we simply want to carry out the mission. it's no different, as you point out, then working with da, fbi or other federal law enforcement agencies. we have a mission in the mission is for public safety. we can all agree that public safety is a critical aspect here and we simply want to affect these arrests and seek removal of these aliens who are removab

and the court had unlawfully detained her and would have to pay damages. many courts have found localities to be liable for the prolonged immigration. this happened many times, for legal permanent residents, we have found -- we have seen damages of up wards of a hundred thousand. in october, 2016, the northern district of illinois in a class action case called hi main eds versus neopolitano found that ice has limited authority to arrest without a warrant and detainers generally exceed that authority. and in january, the northern district of dallas found that dallas could be held liable for unlawful detention. so long and short i didn't get a chance to go into the francisco decision which i'd love to get into at some point but these policies are lawful. >> thank you very much. and i'm sure we'll come back to have a chance to talk about the san francisco and santa clara litigation before we're done. we're going to move to betsy to talk to us from the perspective of d.c. obviously d.c. is a somewhat unique jurisdiction. i know that a lot of research that's be

kris coy back -- kobach said there are millions of people in kansas who voted unlawfully. he fought to obtain special powers to prosecute vote fraud n the state of kansas. and to date, he's only turned up one, one real instance of vote fraud out of millions of votes cast. host: with a about concerns about voter registration roles and the reports that have been done about mismatched voter registration roles? isn't that a right name for what could lead to the next step of voter fraud? guest: congress has studied this issue and there's a law, a national voter act also known as the motor voter law that sets out requirements that states and localities can follow to maintain updated registration roles and you can remove people who have move or who have -- who may have died where certain requirements are met. so there is a federal law that provides uniform standard that can be followed across their country to maintain registration roles. but we don't need in 2017 is a commission looking at this problem or issue for the first time where there's no data that even supports the fact

in that they were unlawfully detained and for those prolonged detention in to find the residents so the northern district of illinois in a class-action case invalidated to say with those generally exceed so, that dallas could be held liable so long and short butce the policies are lawful but they're not violating its. >> manager we will come back to talk about the litigation so now we will talk about the prospective of d.c. and obviously that is a unique jurisdiction talking about cities i know a lot of the research said has been done from the county perspective so feel free to take us into hobby analyze d.c. so what does a done and what is it doing?. >> thanks for coming this morning michele's set up and is a misleading term because they don't offer air perfectan immunity but d.c. is the city and county may have all those powers but we're not a state of the act like one for many illegal purposes as they were discussing 1473. sova to expand that concept it what it means for increasing. that is part of save her hand struck under d.c. she showed the cities were safer we believe we're all

. >> they only consider it a weapon when it's used unlawfully. okay? i checked the laws.t was used unlawfully apparently because i put it to your head. >> you put it to your own head too. >> you don't even remember coming into my room sitting on the couch next to me watching a movie because you hadn't been sober. how much did you drink before you came home? >> i don't know. maybe two or three beers. it was 10:00 when i came home. >> between 6:30 and 10:30, 11:00, you only had two or three drinks? that's -- that's a little -- that's a little far-fetched. >> maybe three or four. yeah. >> have you seen my actual photo? do i need to show you the photo, the two black eyes, the blood everywhere, my skull split open. >> you shouldn't have resisted arrest. >> i didn't resist arrest. >> then what did they have to go into the house with their guns drawn? >> because you said i put you at gunpoint. it's all in the statement. >> well, you should have just walked down the stairs. >> you shouldn't have told cops i was armed and threatening to kill you. they were walking in the house arm

people assumed that the detainer meant, concluded that somebody was here unlawfully. i'm going to tell you why that was also wrong. and there were many errors because we found out you know that detainers were lodged on u.s. citizens, on legal

provided a statement saying that he, quote, unlawfully entered the u.s. after being previously deported in 2001. he will remain in i.c.e. custody pending court proceedings. >>> new developments from washington. president trump is under fire following reports that he released highly classified information to top russian officials. the president is defending his right to disclose the sensitive intelligence, but as abc reports, that's not stopping the fallout on capitol hill and with our allies overseas. >> it's a great honor. >> reporter: today, the president's defense. president trump not denying the explosive report that he shared highly classified information with russia's foreign minister and ambassador in the oval office. instead, defending his absolute right to do it. tweeting, he wanted to share facts pertaining to terrorism and airline flight safety for humanitarian reasons, plus, i want russia to greatly step up the fight against isis and terrorism. >> we had a very, very successful meeting with the foreign minister of russia. our fight is against

after revealing she was pregnant that all happened and she believes she's been unlawfully suspended for more serious violations. >> in an effort to rename jeff sop highway is starting to take shape and advisory board was appointed on friday to solicit ideas from the public. and alexandria city council voted unanimous name of confederate leader eight months ago and public suggestion for a new name is forwarded to alexandria city manager in the fall and and back on track. we'll have the light setback for light rail project ahead tonight. >> and it's fight beyond the fight now this sucker punch is getting one heavy weight and his uncle in a lot of trouble. >> former first ladies are michelle obama was spotted doing jogging in the tution can country side. mrs. obama and husband apparently are vacationing in italy and paparazzi was not too far behind. and neither was the secret service. ♪ ♪ ralph northam: being a pediatrician has taught me to listen carefully. i'm ralph northam, and when survivors of the virginia tech shooting asked me to support an assault weapons ban and close the gun show

sharyl: so, what is your objection if he was trying to move gun parts in his luggage unlawfully, isn'thing that we caught him? erica: mr. kolsuz should have definitely been arrested for trying to export those gun parts. the focus of cause for action in this case is the actual search of his cell phone that was performed incident to that arrest. sharyl: whats argument for why it had a right to do that? erica: anytime you travel into the united states, the government has a limited right to search, for example, your luggage or your car, to make sure you're not bringing any contraband in, like drugs. and on an outgoing search to make sure you're not taking out any undeclared amounts of currency, for example. so the government is saying that it searched the cell phone as part of this narrow right it has to do warrantless searches at the border. sharyl: so you think the government has expanded the intended power to search beyond what it's supposed to be? erica: cause of action believes that once mr. kolsuz was arrested, he was no longer crossing the border, his cell phone was no longer crossi

these people are almost left without money, without anyjob, and completely unlawfully exact.t it, the progressives, the liberals, they are too weak. they are not united. they don't have a coherent platform or vision and therefore, for all of the individual efforts of people such as yourself and many others, the voice doesn't resonate. yes, but there are so many important voices in turkey today. as we are speaking, i am very sad to say, two academics are on hunger strike and it has been over 60 days. they have now passed a very critical threshold, which is life—threatening medical for them. there are people trying to dissent, criticise, express their sorrow or position sometimes at the expense of their lives. you are right. the opposition in turkey, the other half, is quite fragmented, disorganised, but let us not also forget what happened in this referendum. i would like to take a closer look at it. in the run—up to the referendum, we have seen a very unfair campaign. almost all of the state's resources, almost all of the media outlets were is devoted to one side of the refer

mr. -- this was a situation where unlawfully obtained information was used to go through our system to ask this information through the d.r.t., which is why we did report it to u.s. search. when it was identified that the compromise was through the d.r.t., we -- that is when we did not report this as a major incident. all our information, the information that the department holds, was not grow mized. -- compromised. mr. connolly: is that still your position? mr. gray: yes, sir. mr. connolly: from your point of view fisma has not been triggered? mr. gray: a major breach of department information was not grow mized. - compromised. it mr. connolly: was that the language of the law? a major breach has to be compromised? a major breach has to lead to the compromise of data? mr. gray: no, sir. when the i.r.s. reported this, it is identified a as an i.r.s.cies tefment it was not a detcht education system. we did our aal siffs all of our system through faffs -- naffsa, and nothing indicated to my knowledge that any of our information was compromised. . mr. camus: we have yet to determine the -

unlawfully obtained information was used to go through our system to access information through the drt, which is why we, we did report to u.s. cert, and when it was identified that the compromise was through the drt, we -- that is when we did not report this as a major incident, because our information, meaning the information that the department holds, was not compromised. >> and is that still your position? >> yes, sir. >> so from your point of view, fisma has not been triggered. >> a major breach of department information was not compromised. >> is that the language of the law? that a major breach has to be compromiseed? that is to say, a major breach has to lead to the compromise of data? >> no, sir. the, when the irs reported this and we were notify bed on march 3rd -- notified on march 3rd, it was identified as an irs system. it was not a department of education system. we did thorough analysis of all of our system through fafsa, and nothing indicated, to my knowledge, that any of our information was compromised. >> mr. camus, is that your view. >> >> we have yet to determine the

so we have a generous humanitarian program, but we say, if you seek to come to australia unlawfully witheople smuggler, you will not succeed. full rate that is absolutely, absolutely fundamental. >> bret: you sympathize with the president on this issue. he is kind of selling it that way. >> the proposition that the government elected by the people should decide who comes into a country entity terms on which they come is fundamental. it is a fundamental sovereign right of any nation. spit in your region is a focus for the u.s. met with all but is happening in north korea. do you get a sense that the diplomatic efforts, economic pressure, diplomatic pressure, is having an effect in countries in your region when it comes to north korea? is it moving the needle, especially with china? >> yes, it is very clear that the north korean regime's reckless endangerment, provocation, must stop. it is a real threat to peace and stability in the region and the world. the country with the greatest leverage on north korea, by far, is china. the eyes of the world are on beijing, and beijing has to bring t

this was a situation where the unlawfully obtained information was used to go through the system to access information which is why we did report it and when it was identified that the compromise was through the prt for the information that the department holds was not compromised. >> it is that still your position? from your point of view. >> a major breach in the department wasn't compromised. >> it has to lead to the compromise. when the irs reported this and we were notified on march 3, it was identified as an irs system. we did a thorough analysis of all of the systems and nothing indicated that it was compromised. >> is that your view? >> know that ino that is not my. do you concur that there was no breach of data? >> i would therefore argue on this would you agree? >> you are coming up with a criteria reflected in the language itself. we don't have traffic laws that allow you to decide, yes i was speeding but i didn't hurt anyone. the wall is there to make sure the legislative branch is informed in a timely fashion when this kind of activity occurs it's to make sure that we are doin

somebody repeatedly entering this country illegally, unlawfully, has broken the laws of this nation, to suffer the punishment. needs to be put in jail. >> he did have a prior arrest in january of this year. it's interesting the records in california, you can hardly find out -- if this guy was a cia agent, they wouldn't have been able to scrub his records better. it is under the child neglect, child abuse chapter but it looks from reading the statute, it was a domestic violence case with a false imprisonment components. >> kat: how can this happen? >> eric: the governor of california who allows for sanctuary status. >> kat: this does not -- i agree a lot of things would be solved if we could increase legal immigration. something like this just makes it look like wow this whole system is really messed up. come back and forth 15 times and then do this. i'm sorry, but there is no other take. >> eric: i can give you pages of examples of an illegal coming back two or three times and similar things happening. >> all the gang members we have here illegally. ms-13, i think it is. that's one t

they say the city of oakland unlawfully seized and they say this case sets a dangerous precedent for bay area property owners. 2 investigates first reported on 13th street in 2014. our cameras uncover canned faulty plumbing, collapsing ceilings and missing stair railings. in 2015 after our story the city of oakland souped for code violations and they also allege they used fraud and intimidation on tenants to try to get them out. now many of the landlords say she wasn't given enough time to work with the city and treated unfairly. i want to bring you out live. i have one of the volunteers. we only have time for a quick question but if you could tell us what is your fear in terms of these -- you're fearing this will have a broader impact. >> yes. this happened on alice. happen for any property owners in the bay area. >> who is here behind you? who do they represent? >> no, i read the paper and come in here from the newspaper. they put it in the newspaper. lots of people come here to support. >> what do you want the city of oakland to know? >> bring back justice? this is very unjustice.

. >> that the defendant did unlawfully and with forethought murder a human being. >> reporter: butler listened as a judge read the murder, assault, and attempted rape charges he faces in connection with three attacks on women ages 92, 86, and 61. >> this is very, very serious. >> reporter: butler is accused of murdering an 86-year-old as she was walking at a track last wednesday. investigators say he first went after her 61-year-old walking partner. she attempted to fight back to protect her friend but she was killed. butler is also accused of assaulting a 92-year-old woman hours later. >> i thought that the family need to be represented. >> reporter: close family friend vicki butler sat in the courtroom to represent the woman she called quiet, simple. butler's mental state will be a significant factor. he wore a green anti-suicide smock in court. >> i think there are serious issues regarding mental health. >> reporter: but butler's friend says his mental health was never in question during his days on the varsity football team. >> everybody pretty much liked him. he was a class clown

unlawfully by stealing it or lawfully by buying that. it's entirely natural to say or procured the painting contrary to law even though you could just as easily have purchased it. >> the thing that was done there, stealing the painting has the potential to help the thief get the painting. >> it is the means by which they walked away with the painting. i don't think there is any causal relationship there that the survey been talking about. >> what would you expect, you have heard right there. forget the word materiality from your point of view. i take it the proximate cause, you don't. what about a tendency to a fact reasonable immigration officer and his judgment. what about the one you just used? it is a means towards accepting. which ones were here? i have about five that influence the decision. he said all of those are wrong? >> i think they are, but the reason is -- >> which one do you accept? >> i think the problem here -- >> i know you say congress said that. the question for us is whether congress said that and we have some words.

justice department or the inspector general at the idea if he felt that president trump was acting unlawfully in had the investigation of general flynn. >> there's no way to know the answer to that because we're still trying to establish the predicate, that is this, this conversation took place and it's more than fair and will be necessary to ask the director to answer that question. depending on the time of the conversation, it may have been at a period when the attorney general had recused himself and it was not yet a depp any attorney general. not, there vo would have been someone at the department and the certainly the director could share that -- so those are questions that we'll properly ask can the director. just before we went on the air i spoke with congressman jason chaffetz, the chairman of the house oversight committee and he's invited comey to appear before his committee on wednesday and doesn't know if comey will stay. chafetz says he didn't have -- with his new phone number. we can make contact with james comey and we've had two with the director within the last couple of month

provided this statement saying mejia unlawfully entered the u.s.ly deported in 2001. mr. mejia will remain in i custody pending court proceedings." he was caught in 2001 trying too cross the border that's why he has expedited deportation hearings. but the congressman is appealing to eyes to give him due process before sending him away. >>> a massachusetts school faces a complaint from the aclu for disciplining black students because of their hair style parents say students were punished for wearing braids with hair extensions which are not allowed. the complaint says the school's dress policy is discriminatory because white students haven't been disciplined for coloring their hair which is also banned. black students have been issued detentions f s but the punishme doesn't stop there. >> they've kicked me off the track team and banned us from any -- >> i can't go to prom. >> she can't go to prom. >> we can't go to the sports banquet. >> reporter: the school district criticizes the school's policy and its decision to punish students who express thei

he also said jessica cola dchtl unlawfully present mexican national admitted guilt to a felony.ea is considered a felony conviction for immigration purposes. but her attorney contends there was never a guilty plea and is headed to court. >> there has to be a formal plea of guilt before the judge. there has to be a formal finding of a conviction or a guilty plea by a jury, by the judge. there was none of that. >> what do you say to people who say she is in the country illegally, she doesn't have a right to be here anyways. what do you say to them? >> well, i was brought to the u.s. when i was 11 years old through no fault of my own. >> her attorney has filed an emergency motion at the u.s. district court of northern georgia. they expect a ruling within two weeks. a ruling that may determine whether she gets to stay in the country or not. fredricka, back to you. >> thank you so much, rafael romo. >>> still ahead, melissa mccarthy pulling no punches last night when she hosted "snl." that is next. >>> now i'm filling in for sean today. as you know, sean is fulfilling his duty as an

provided this statement saying mejia "unlawfully entered the u.s. after being previously deported in 2001. mr. mejia will remain in i.c.e. custody pending court proceedings." congressman huffman says he is appealing to i.c.e. to give him due process and release this man. live in san francisco, amy holyfield, abc 7 news. >>> an investigation is under way into an attack at the pittsburgh bay point bart station. police say a woman carrying a two-year-old was trying to hitchhike a ride from the station sunday night. another woman refused to give her a lift and the suspect beat the driver with a rock. the attacker is still on the run this morning. the victim suffered minor injuries. >>> the wife of the alameda county sheriff's deputy arrested for a deadly dui crash is facing new alcohol-related charges. on the left you see a mug shot following yarenit mallihan's arrest. then on the right friday's arrest when she was found on the ground in pleasanton. police arrested her for being drunk in public. this is her third alcohol or drug-related arrest. she was

. >> johnny torres was unlawfully and wrongfully expelled from school. >> reporter: torres was a star quarterback and team captain of napa high's j.v. football team last fall when after a halloween practice he was accused in taking part of hazing of freshmen players. documents say some players held freshmen down while others poked them in the backside through their pants. torres denied it from the start. >> the allegations and the law was not on the district side and johnny torres should have never been remove from school to begin with. >> reporter: last night in closed session, the county office of education rescinded the expulsion, but johnny has missed more than 11 weeks of school. >> i'm happy with the decision, but at the same time i'm not going to go back. >> reporter: he's trying to keep up by taking online college courses and the family has tried to stay strong. >> we stuck together. >> with mandy's help we knew it was going to be okay. >> reporter: the napa school district had had this comment. we disagree with the out come but respect the process and decision. johnny hopes t

you can procure it unlawfully by stealing it or lawfully by stealing it. if you steal it, it you can say you procured the painting contrary to law. even though you could have just as easily purchased it. that is the difference. >> the thing that was done there, stealing the painting certainly had the potential to help the thief get the painting. >> that's true. it was the means by which they walked away with the painting. but i don't think that it was -- that there was any causal relationship there of the sort that we have been talking about. >> what about what sort would you accept? that is you heard two right there. forget the word materiality. from your point of view you don't. okay. and i take it but for condition you don't. and i think it that proximate cause you don't. but what about had a tendency to affect a reasonable immigration officer in his judgment. what about that? what about the one you used used. it was a means towards getting -- that's tougher that you use. but which ones -- here, i have about fave. influenced the decision. it had the pos

people assumed that the detainer meant, concluded that somebody was here unlawfully. i'm going to tell you why that was also wrong. and there were many errors because we found out you know that detainers were lodged on u.s. citizens, on legal permanent residents, many errors involved. >>> you can watch this conversation on immigration and sanctuary cities any time on line, c-span.org, go to our video library. we take to you a hearing underway, the house armed services committee on the fiscal 2018 budget request and emerging threats. hearing now from admiral mike rogers, commander of u.s. cyber command. >> i think back to the dialogue in the 1980 whz when i first joined first commissioned in the military in the aftermath of the failure of desert one and the effort to rescue those u.s. hostages being held in the embassy in terrain. we had a lot of dialogue about is soft so specialized, so poorly understood by theth broad conventional part of the military, so needing of specific attention that we should create a separate sof service. we ultimately decided that the right

the republican-controlled legislature unlawfully relied on race when it reconfigured the districts. newly confirmed justice did not take part in the ruling. legal experts say the decision could make it easier to challenge redistricting decisions that were made on partisan grounds. >>> new figures show about 740,000 foreigners who entered the u.s. on an immigration visa remain here even after the visa expired. the figures come from homeland security and cover a recent 12- month period and include immigrants who arrived to the united states by plane or boat, but not those who got here through ground border crossings. countries with the highest overstays included mexico, canada, china and india. >>> we're track the cool down around here. you notice that today fog is back at the coast and temperatures are going south. i'll have the details right after the break. break. who are these people? the energy conscious people among us say small actions can add up to something... humongous. a little thing here. a little thing there. starts to feel like a badge maybe millions can wear. who are al

we wouldn't keep evidence out that is truthful but obtained unlawfully. a grand jury proceeding is a search for admissible evidence on one side. it is the most fundamental denial of civil liberties. civil liberties is the first casualty of partisan politics. nobody is here speaking up on behalf of civil liberties. even if you are opposed to trump, i don't like the precedence by going after people in an unfair way. they are after trump. somebody has to speak up on behalf of the civil libber 'tis liberties of all americans. they take secret testimony. they don't have a lawyer. you can't rebut the evidence. they don't consider the evidence in your favor. let's not glorify grand jury proceedings. >> allen doesn't like grand juries. there are lots of responsible prosecutors out there. bob mueller is a responsible prosecutor. he is looking for admissible evidence in a possible trial. he is trying to figure out what happened. i think that is an honorable thing. he is an honorable person. >> i agree. >> to go back to the question you asked which is what advice wo

>> maybe thing a congressional committee can do if they feel someone is being unlawfully unresponsives hold them in contempt and go to a court to try to get them basically to do what they want in this case, fork over the docs. >> and contempt, is that another -- if you don't comply, what happens? >> just means they are mad at you will. >> you don't go to jail? is it a new crime? >> what it is is that a judge's discretion. it means that you can be held in jail potentially indefinitely to force compliance. so it is different technically than being found guilty of a crime, but it has the same effect that it's a blunt instrument. you could be in court and the judge can sanction you for talking out of turn in court. it might not be a crime,for it. >> elyse jordan, yesterday you said was the most riveting. you were talking about your late husband and a film coming out. >> yes, on friday called war machine starring brad pitt, anthony michael hall, ben kingsley. it's based on my late husband's book the operators. and mike flynn is a central character in this book. so anyone who had read the b

in many of these cases the court agreed with the chamber that the government had acted unlawfully. so to summarize her work at the chamber during that time at the chamber, ms. brand argued that government agencies went beyond the authority that congress had given them. she also argued that these agencies weren't acting under the scope of the congressional authority granted to the agency, and she argued that congressional authority had to be respected. now, it's pretty simple. it seems to me it's up to congress to give these agencies more authority if we think they need it, but it's not a good reason to vote against ms. brand's nomination because she argued a very commonsense and constitutional position that federal agencies need to follow the laws of congress. finally, some senators have maintained that they are concerned about her views on the voting rights act. she responded very well to that because during her hearing ms. brand told the committee that she shares concerns for anyone that would violate the voting rights act and would suppress votes in the process of violating that

it is a federal crime, as we know, to willfully and unlawfully conceal, remove or destroy a federal record. director comey said that, quote, the fbi also discovered several thousands work-related e-mails, end of quote, that secretary clinton did not turn over to the state department. he said the secretary clinton's lawyers, quote, cleaned their devices in such a way to preclude complete forensic recovery, end of quote, of additional e-mails. the justice department also entered into immunity agreements limiting the scope of the fbi investigation. some of these agreements prohibited the fbi from reviewing any e-mails on the laptops of the clinton aides that were created outside of secretary clinton's tenure at state, but of course, any e-mails related to alienating records would not have been created until after she left office during the congressional fbi reviews. and even though these records were subject to congressional subpoena and preservation records, the justice department agreed to destroy the laptops. so, a cloud of doubt hangs over the fbi objectivity. the director says that the p

it is a federal crime, as we know to willfully and unlawfully conceal, remove or destroy a federal record. director comey said that, quote, the fbi also discovered several thousands work-related e-mails, end of quote that secretary clinton did not turn over to the state department. he said that secretary clinton's lawyers, quote, cleaned their devices in such a way to reduce complete forensic recovery, end of quote, of additional e-mails. the justice department also entered into immunity agreements limiting the scope of the fbi investigation and some of these agreements prohibited the fbi from reviewing any e-mails on the laptops of the clinton aides that were created outside of secretary clinton's tenure at state, but of course, any e-mails related to alienating records would not have been created until after she left office during the congressional fbi reviews and even though these records were subject to congressional subpoena and preservation records, the justice department agreed to destroy the laptops and a cloud of doubt hangs over the fbi. the director sayses that people at the fb

and you know, if comey did assure him, then would comey be acting unlawfully?ll, i think it's certainly a violation of fbi protocols and policy. and it's no question a violation of what we expect from our president. but i don't think it's a violation of the federal criminal statute on obstruction. because you really have to show criminal intent. you have to show that corrupt persuasion, that direct influence. usually these cases, and we've never seen anything like this before, dealing with a president and an fbi director, usually what you see is somebody who is a defendant in then a criminal case, taking a defendant out to the back and saying, look, i want you to say x, y, and z about this case. that's clear obstruction. so we have a different set of facts that may fall under the crime of obstruction, but we have to know what was said between the two of them. >> well, we just reported that those two democrats in congress were asking for those tapes, if the tapes exist. >>> coming up next, more on our breaking news, the president's threat to james comey, raising

introduced the pure democracy act that would sanction any foreign individual or entity found to have unlawfully interfered with our election process. that shouldn't be a partisan issue. yet all of the bill's 88 co-sponsors are democrats. i'm also co-sponsor of our protect our democracy act to establish an independent commission to get to the bottom of the russia thing. a recent nbc poll conducted in april found 73% of our fellow americans want such an independent commission. they want to get at the truth. so do i. so should all of us. i signed a discharge petition to get that bill to the floor. i urge my colleagues to support these two measures and bring them to the floor for consideration. it's our constitutional duty to provide oversight of any executive in any executive branch. the american people demand answers and accountability, not obstruction and intimidation. appointing a special counsel, independent of the white house and the attorney general, was one way to begin to restore credibility that's been badly tarnished. i urge us to proceed with the russia investigation with all dispatch.

this for example is somebody who has suggested there were millions of people in kansas who voted unlawfully. he fought to obtain special powers to prosecute voter fraud in the state of kansas and today, he's only turned up one. >> you can find the rest online, go to c-span.org. click the tab and select washington journal. we take you now to the endowment for international peace for a conversation about government corruption. >> the author of corruption in america and she's also an attorney on the imam newlands lawsuit filed against president donald trump. -- and mom you want. corruption as an operating system, what does that mean? >> what am i talking about? >> exactly. >> would you mind, so we have a picture, but fundamentally what i'm talking about here is not corruption as some nasty practices that some members of government indulge in in some countries, a lot of government officials might indulge in. but the way we normally think about it is sort of like i don't know, like a disease, right? that kind of creeps in and infects the tissues of government. what i've been seeing, and honduras

it is a federal crime, as we know, to willfully and unlawfully, conceal, remove or destroy a federalecord. director comey said the f.b.i. also discovered several thousand work-related emails that secretary clinton did not turn over to the state department. he said the secretary clinton's lawyers, quote, cleaned their devices in such a way as to preclude complete forensic recovery, end of quote of additional emails. the justice department also entered into immunity agreements limiting the scope of the f.b.i. investigation. some of these agreements prohibited the f.b.i. from reviewing any emails on the laptops of the clinton aides that were created outside of secretary clinton's tenure at state. but, of course, any emails related to alienateing records would not have been created until after she left office during the congressional f.b.i. reviews. even though these records were subject to -- the justice department agreed to destroy the laptops. so a cloud of doubt hangs over the f.b.i. objectivity. the director says the people at the f.b.i. don't give a rip about politics. but the dire

it is a federal crime, as we know, to willfully and unlawfully conceal, remove or destroy a federal record. director comey said that, quote, the fbi also discovered several thousands work-related e-mails, end of quote, that secretary clinton did not turn over to the state department. he said the secretary clinton's lawyers, quote, cleaned their devices in such a way as to preclude complete forensic recovery, end of quote, of additional e-mails. the justice department also entered into immunity agreements limiting the scope of the investigation. some of the agreements prohibited the fbi from reviewing any e-mails on the laptops of the clinton aides that were created outside of secretary clinton's tenure at state. any e-mails would not have been created until after she left office during the congressional fbi reviews. even those these records were subject to congressional subpoena and preservation records, the justice department agreed to destroy the laptops. a cloud of doubt hangs over the fbi. the director installed as deputy director, a man whose wife ran for elected office and accepted a