unlou i can a painting where you can step away and let that dry and layer and kind of, like, you knowyour image, tattooing, we can actually harm you. so we only get so many attempts at what we're trying to do in a certain area. we're also hurting you so we have to move through it very quickly. so a painting that might take months and months we have hours to create it in. >> rose: i assume they choose everything they want you to tattoo? >> sometimes. >> rose: and be where they want it? >> yeah. i mean, it's a collaborative process. so i say often clients don't design tattoos for a living but i do. so they trust me to design them a great tattoo. for me we work out the subject. why they want to be tattooed, how much area and i try to feel it out like design, i'm trying to design your body. >> rose: and after you do that, is the rate of enthusiasm for it pretty high in. >> oh, yeah, man. people love their tattoos. >> rose: what is that about? it's fulfilling to see -- well, there is like -- people feel differently on their inside. it's tilt to, like, show that -- it's difficult to show th