unmedicated or medicated in a different way. this is progress because they used to believe when you went to treatment come you had have to be sober for two years before you dealt with the underlying causes. for women in treatment, it difficult because getting to treatment is the issue. especially if you have young children, babies. we see some fabulous entities across north america that appreciate what do mothers have to deal with when they're trying to get sober. but they are few and far between. too often it's not who you know, whether you have enough money, where you live, whether you look at the right treatment. >> host: why do you think that is? >> guest: i think it's obvious. i think our value as a society around alcohol are very fuzzy. i don't think we decided what we want to do. we all think about sophisticated i know my wine. if an adult, i should know how to handle their liquor. if i'm drinking a little too much, maybe i'm just trying to act like the french or the spanish were the italian. it isn't me that has a proble