and then, as i got older, you know, men and women, you go and you talk about the unmentionables of life, and my buddies would say, "are you taking us out to pluto?" and i said, "yes. we're off the record." and in this disease, in alzheimer's, there's this urge to just drift out, which i have to fight against all the time, and i had to invent a place that i could go to, and i called it pluto. and my maternal grandfather died of alzheimer's, my mother died of alzheimer's, my paternal uncle died of alzheimer's. before my father passed away, he and they've been out to pluto, and i've taken family and friends, and someday i won't come back, and i want them to know where i am. >> tell me what it was like when you first encountered symptoms. and what were those symptoms like? >> well, the symptoms were severe short-term memory loss, not recognizing family and friends -- my wife, on two occasions. picking up a phone and not knowing how to dial. picking up a lawn sprinkler and not knowing what it is. so, alzheimer's, in the early stage, ken, is like a light going off, someone turning a light off