was the party that was unpatriotic. was it unpatriotic and in what way was it unpatriotic? roosevelt or his government at least had imprisoned the secretary of the communist party in 1944 passport violations they had used a fake passport. in 1942 he pardoned him because it was a gesture towards russia towards joe stalin who was our ally. we might not have wanted him as an ally but we needed him and he was there and this was a gesture to stalin. the result was the republicans attacked roosevelt and said that the person who's going to sit at roosevelt's site if he is reelected this role. this was of course mom sensible, but nevertheless, it was declared and people accepted this. the other problem was roosevelt was unpatriotic because he had failed us at pearl harbor coming he knew what had gone on and let pearl harbor happened. conspiracy theories are very common. we love conspiracies. we read about them all the time and newspapers and listen and watch them on tv. the idea was that the president and his advisers knew that the japanese military code had been broken before pear

video where he called president bush unpatriotic, i remember that day very well.that the same barn he talked in front of when he said you didn't build that? go back and look. it could be the same set. pulling out a hollywood set. juan, what you said, a lot of stuff is built up. it starte started in the '50s ad '670s when they started the entitlement program that hasn't been reformed at all. give him the first two years and say it's not your problem at all. i think president obama a huge problem yesterday. they were caught off-guard. congressional budget office says going forward, we are looking at recession and 9.1% unemployment. he does own that. he doesn't have a plan to do anything except for raising taxes on 1% to pay for half a day worth of government spen spending. great timing for romney because in november, people can make a decision, four more years of no plan or secret plan? or four years of going back to something else? >> eric: even if you do raise taxes on the top 1-2%, whatever number president obama wants to do, it comes to $70 billion. $70 billion

the other problem was that roosevelt was unpatriotic because he had failed at pearl harbor and he knew what had gone on. conspiracy theories are very common. we love conspiracies and read about them all the time and listen and watch about them on tv. the japanese military could be in the pearl harbor and do nothing about. that was not true. we had broken the diplomatic code before pearl harbor and he knew a week or ten days before pearl harbor the japanese are going to break relations with us in that very likely meant the concept. general marshall and admiral king, i'm sorry, the admiral hooley he -- admiral leahy sent to the posts in the pacific saying this is a warning that looks like the japanese media on alert 24/7. this will send on november 27th. pearl harbor was november 7th. nobody was on the alert on the cables. nobody was on the alert until the admiral and general short in charge of pearl harbor on sunday morning. five minutes before 8:00. they also were not on the alert. general macarthur was asleep in his bed and he didn't believe it. pearl harbor, they couldn't have done a

but very different from the debt and the deficit this pcreating d bush unpatriotic for. >> look at hiser you look at his ideology or record, both are abysmal, fail him out and step him out of the white house. there is a real choice to be made. his policies are anti-business, non-pro-growth. the most in modern times. >> look at the record here. it is absolutely a complete failure. look at the long-term unemployment. 8.3%. how is that winning? he said if he doesn't fix the numbers, put him out of office. take him at hotdogs word. >> sean: here's what's bothering me. these are not just numbers. nearly $6 trillion in new obama debt, take a sledgehammer and steal every penny our kids have. 49 million americans in poverty. one in six americans, 25 un-and under-employed. he wants to talk about romney the murderer, romney the felon, romney this, ryan, the radical. who is radical here? the guy who hung out with ayers and wright? >> i don't think the president called, if my recollection, it was a super pac, not the president that called romney a murderer, which and i many-- >>> he called george

. >> that's his opinion-- >>> if i called obama unpatriotic -- you and every liberal in the country wouldondemn me. >> no, i wouldn't. >> sean: all your liberal friends would. >> some of my liberal friends would -- [overlapping dialogue] >> yes, visaid, i don't like when people blame somebody else. >> sean: the kiosks, tsunami i. that was just having fun. >> mitt romney blames obama. you are blaming the president. >> sean: who do we blame?! he's been there four years. he said he would cut the deficit -- [overlapping dialogue] >> sean: two years! twoi. years, he controlled the front and the back side. what happened? nothing! who will he blame? every time, will he resurrect bush to blame him? it's an immature, irresponsible attitude. he's reckless with the american. he has no regard for the taxpayers. he will just add more debt because he has no solution whatsoever to get us out. >> you have more jobs created than we have lost and 6,000-- >>> more jobs created than lost. do we have fewer americans working than when he took office? hundreds of thousands fewer americans working. he predicted

that's unpatriotic. he has accumulated over $1 trillion more dollars in debt in three and a half years than george bush did in eight years. wait a minute. we have almost a million fewer americans working, austin, and you are going to tell the american people that that is success? you are going to -- >> sean, you are combining two different things and we can talk about them. we will do them one at a time. the point that he made with george bush and said what undermines the country is when you are in an economy that's doing well -- >> not what he said. >> -- it's not a time to be running big deficits. that's what he said at that time. >> he said george bush has taken a credit card to the bank of china in the name of our kids and grandkids and he's -- and our deficit went up to $9 trillion and now it's $16 trillion. >> sean, both parties knew perfectly well that we would continue to have large deficits because of the tax cuts. >> for two years he got his plan passed. two full years, all democrats. >> i'm no

your cand date then barack obama said that george bush was unpatriotic and irresponsible for borrowingm the chin a. >> i don't know a president who doesn't. >> you are miss. >> of the five trillion of the debt it was for entitlements. >> what i don't understand. >> one trillion was a stimulus and saved us from a depression. >> you are a smart guy and my friend. i don't understandd something. you would never run your household budget this way. paul ryan and governor romney said we will be greece. greece has a 24 percent unemployment. excuse me. big headline in the daily telegraph kids are dumped on the streets and abandoned. europe look at greece, spain and portugal and irlandd. it is suffocating because of socialism. >> you are comparing the united states to greece. greece is big as new jersey. and the point is >> there is many thingings. but we are not -- you guys ought to go to history class. we are not in a socialist situation. >> no. >> no, we are not. >> the president said this week suggested that he want to take ov industry and what we did for the auto industry we can do for the

your cand date then barack obama said that george bush was unpatriotic and irresponsible for borrowing. >> i don't know a president who doesn't. >> you are miss. >> of the five trillion of the debt it was for entitlements. >> what i don't understand. >> one trillion was a stimulus and saved us from a depression. >> you are a smart guy and my friend. i don't understandd something. you would never run your household budget this way. paul ryan and governor romney said we will be greece. greece has a 24 percent unemployment. excuse me. big headline in the daily telegraph kids are dumped on the streets and abandoned. europe look at greece, spain and portugal and irlandd. it is suffocating because of socialism. >> you are comparing the united states to greece. greece is big as new jersey. and the point is >> there is many thingings. but we are not -- you guys ought to go to history class. we are not in a socialist situation. >> no. >> no, we are not. >> the president said this week suggested that he want to take ov industry and what we did for the auto industry we can do for the industry. >>

i have, we've never had a president accumulate that -- he called george bush in 2008 unpatriotic and for $4 trillion in eight years. >> yes. >> sean: how do you run on that record? >> obviously i'm not here to defend the president. >> sean: so you're voting for mitt romney? >> well, as you know, i'm a noncombatantist here. i haven't decided. i could vote for romney or president obama. the president is saying, it would have been worse if i hadn't been president. that's tough to run on. a better thing to say is here's what i'm going to do in a second term. give me an opportunity to do this again. governor romney has to be clear based on his experiences what he would do differently. i think each of them has to give the public a positive vision. in governor romney's case, because he's coming in from outside, he really should convince the public -- again this is what independents want to hear -- that he's going to reach out to democrats, that he's going to look to build bipartisan coalitions to solve the nation's problems, the biggest one being the debt and obviously the economy and jobs.

and that's really unpatriotic to continue with the myth. it's we the people.the people are together in forming this more perfect union, and that means we have to know each other, talk to each other, go to different parts of our town or state, and find out how we all are doing. only together can difference in this. >> i think it comes back to the phrase that president obama used which is you didn't build that. we as a collective as contributed toward the capacity of any one individual to succeed. that somehow is missing in this individualism that you talked about just a moment ago that seems to run through everything that mitt romney talks about. >> right. and as congressman ryan points out is that we who see the communal side don't often talk about individual responsibility. so i'm trying to say each of us is responsible for building up national catholic social justice lobby, who led the nuns on the bus tour through nine states. thank you for your time. you're going to hang around and we'll do

accusing the other of being unpatriotic in the other of being a terrorist we need to get a move away from that and really have a constructive dialogue that's the only way to save syria as we know it otherwise if you know even if the opposition wins we may all still under losing. all right gentlemen we ended on a positive note surprisingly many thanks to my guest today in los angeles charlottesville and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are to see you next time remember cross-talk will. start. commission free cretaceous three pounds for charges free from ajman free. three stooges free. download free blank counseling videos for your media projects and free media oh god our teton tom.

"this is disgusting; this is unpatriotic; this is sacriligious; this is"-- they should be allowed to do that without disrupting the show for others. and that's the whole point of it. so museums are very savvy these days. if there is anything that's going to be a little bit controversial-- or difficult new art for an audience to take, they usually put up warning signs saying, "this may not be suitable for kids under"--blah, blah. they also say, "this may horrify you. we want to warn you that this is going to happen." and often, they will have interactive-- a book that you can respond to or a computer or whatever. and that's very important for the public, to be able to get up. now, i'm not saying i wasn't hurt sometimes when the artist, in particular, would get up in a place and say that i wasn't doing enough or standing up enough for the first amendment. it hurt my feelings, because i felt i was working as hard as i could for them. but, you know, they had to speak their mind. and you would hear from both artists and members of the public and-- oh, yeah. and no one was really satisfied

accusing the other of being unpatriotic in the other of being a terrorist we need to get a move away from that and really have a constructive dialogue that's the only way to save syria as we know it otherwise if you know even if the opposition wins we may all still on the losing. all right gentlemen we ended on a positive note surprisingly many thanks to my guest today in los angeles charlottesville and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are the see you next time remember cross talk of. the law and it was a story. the way. you want to. get off sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else you hear or see some other part of it and realize that everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm tom harpur welcome to the big picture. me leave. immediately. told started here for going global and now it's going viral. log in. to. choose your place to take your stand. and meet the movement. make your statement. split the words. it's true. my name is richard davis i'm an architectural photographer from london

accusing the other of being unpatriotic in the other of being a terrorist we need to get a move away from that and really have a constructive dialogue that's the only way to save syria as we know it otherwise if you know even if the opposition wins we may all still on the losing. all right gentlemen we ended on a positive note surprisingly many thanks to my guest today in los angeles charlottesville and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at the q next time remember cross talk. and if you. still. want to. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realized everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm tom harvey welcome to the big picture. of. the world the true science technology innovation hall believes developments from around russia we've got the future covered. on. morning news today violence is once again flared up the funny thing these are the images the world has been seeing from the streets of canada. the giant corporations are the d

that's what this country is founded upon and they're trying to make it out to be that dissent is unpatriotic or dissent is somehow criminal and they're going to put people in jail and violate people's rights and this is happening. at every political conventions in this go on you can we this is nothing new that's happening it's just unfortunate that the mayor has used rhetoric like a protest get out of hand we're going to brutalize them in the past and i think that's very unfortunate for democracy built on the free exchange of ideas this is not a robust dialogue that's taking place this is the crafted message that they're pumping out in millions of households possum as the champ of the family is not a long history of that conduct the best when it comes to occupying just this last friday we saw them pulling people over and over and searching the harassing intimidating. back and we are going to fix them terrible stories. demonstrated absolute resentment already here now kelly there had mentioned that this is nothing new and wanted to bring up something to six here that kind of highlight the way

accusing the other of being unpatriotic because in the other of being a terrorist we need to get a move away from that and really have a constructive dialogue that's the only way to save syria as we know it otherwise if you know even if the opposition wins we may all still under losing. all right gentlemen we ended on a positive note surprisingly many thanks to my guest today in los angeles charlottesville and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are the see you next time remember. and it. still. exists. the war. in iraq. coming up. it's cool started here before going global and now it's cooling the fire. log in. to the right of. choose your place take your stand. to. make your statement. spread the word. q. finals through the month. stop then look at current events unemployment the national debt. ceiling government. ask yourself does it really matter who wins with billions created you can gamble with your money or turn it into solid gold request the gold and silver investors. call today eight hundred two five seven gold.

accusing the other of being unpatriotic in the other of being a terrorist we need to get a move away from that and really have a constructive dialogue that's the only way to save syria as we know it otherwise if you know even if the opposition wins we may all still on the losing. all right gentlemen we ended on a positive note surprisingly many thanks to my guest today in los angeles charlottesville and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are to see you next time remember cross-talk will. start. admission of free accreditation free in-store charges free. range month free. three stooges free. download free blown counseling videos for your media projects and free media oh don to our teeth on tom. more news today violence is once again flared up. these are the images the world has been seeing from the streets of canada. china operations are all over the day.

russia but i don't think that you can equate criticism especially constructive criticism would being unpatriotic i love my country i risked my life for my country many many times and i would do it tomorrow so so so getting back to my question you think you think it is impossible for a country to copy a country i mean carving an accountable will be itself whatever whatever whatever ideals i mean no i agree we have it's dangerous to just blindly copy something and i think that's not intelligent there are a lot of intelligent people here in russia you have your own rich traditions and cultures and you need to take advantage of that in create something new and exciting that's unique in that's that's what makes this such a such a wonderful period as you do have this opportunity you just told me something very interesting you started very interactive with that truck and the screens and the documentaries peter greenaway told me the other day that his own his own media for his own filmmaking process that he is in is becoming is changing rapidly and becoming very interactive do you think there that you a

accusing the other of being unpatriotic because in the other of being a terrorist we need to get a move away from that and really have a constructive dialogue that's the only way to save syria as we know it otherwise if you know even if the opposition wins we may all still on the losing. all right gentlemen we ended on a positive note surprisingly many thanks to my guest today in los angeles charlottesville and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are to see you next time remember cross-talk will. start. i.

back in 2008, candidate obama called a ten trilli doll national debt unpatriotic.erious talk from what looks like a serious reformer. yet by his own decisions, president obama has added more debt than any other president before him. and more than all the troubled governments of europe combined. one president, one term, five trillion new debt. [audience reacts] he created a new bipartisan debt commission, they came back with an urgent report. he thanked them, sent them on their way and then did exactly nothing. republicans stepped up with good faith reforms and solutions equal to the problems. how did the president respond? by doing nothing. nothing except to dodge and demagogue the issue. so here we are. $16 trillion in debt and still he do nothing. in europe, massive debts have put entire governments at risk of collapse. and still he does nothing. all we have heard from this president and his team are attacks on anyone who dares to point out the obvious. they have no answer to this simple reality. we need to stop spending money, we don't have. [ applause ] really

in 2008, candidate obama called a $10 trillion national debt unpatriotic. serious talk from what looked like a serious reformer. by his own decisions, president obama has added more debt than any other president before him. and more than all the troubled governments of europe combined. one president, one term, $5 trillion in new debt. crowd: boo! >> he created a new bipartisan debt commission. they came back with an urgent report. he thanked them, sent them on their way and then did exactly nothing. crowd: boo! >> republican stepped-up with good faith reforms and solutions equal to the problems. how did the president respond? by doing nothing. nothing except to dock and demagogue the issue. so here we are. $16 trillion in debt and still he does nothing. in europe, massive debts have put entire governments at risk of collapse and still he does nothing. all we have heard from this president and his team are attacks on anyone who dared to point out the obvious. they have no answer to this simple reality. we need to stop spending money we do not have. [applause

it is unpatriotic.egyn: he said it was irresponsible and unpatriotic for president bush to a $4 trillion in eight years. he has added 5.3 trillion in 3.5 years. how can you make a credible argument to the american people when it comes to debt? >> there are two points. one is that he tried to have a bargain with the republicans. paul ryan is the one that said i don't want to do this. i don't want to help them. the second one is, if you and i were making this argument, we would have no competition. and the third reason, the vote for the medicare prescription drug plan, which is not paid for -- for his argument their review is doing everything he possibly could. he did this. all of a sudden for him to come out and say, oh, we got the budget last year that would essentially one of run up the debt, hype it up even more because of taxes to the very wealthy -- that he doesn't know how to offset, the bottom line is this is not the right man to be making this argument. you can make the argument. i can make the a

unpatriotic and added five trillion it is time for us to replace him and who better than mitt romney and paul ryan they are a come back team and they will raise the standards to make it happen. >> thank you for being with us. it is a choice election. greta is next. >> tonight, the tickets are complete. governor romney, an an, thank you. [applause] i am dopely honored and excited to join you as your running mate. [cheers and applause] i want to tell you about mitt romney. mitt romney is a leader with the skills, the background and the character that our country needs in this crucial time in its history. following four years of failed leadership, the hopes of our country which inspired the world are growing dim. they need someone to revive them. governor romney is the man for this moment. [applause] and he and i share one commitment. we will restore the greatness of this country. we can turn this thing around. we can. we can turn this thing around and real solutions can be delivered but it will take leadership and the courage to tell you the truth. [cheers and applause] mitt romney is

you imagine if a democrat went up there as a nominee and didn't mention afghanistan the troops unpatriotic guy hates america. >> cenk: he has totally misquoted romney's position, criticized romney's position on afghanistan without realizing it. that's an interesting part. it seems that a lot of people thought the speech last night went pretty good. but i felt it was a little empty inside. i didn't get a sense there was lasting moment when people would take away and say, you know what that's why i'm going to vote for this romney guy. >> cenk, it was find fine. it was fine as you said. he talked about religion. he talked about his family. that's the theme they'll use to warp warm people to mitt romney. they still need people to warm to him. the state of the union entrance did not work. all the preambles to his speech didn't work. i think it's about getting people warmed to him. i wouldn't doubt to see religion play a bigger part in his ad and the idea of his family playing a bigger part of those ads as they go forward. >> cenk: michael shure, covering the convention for us, we really appreci