it's unpatriotic. >> $17 trillion by his own words makes him irresponsible and unpatriotic. is that fair? >> i think i would have gotten along better with senator obama than i uh do with president obama. i like that he was saying this is a risk, not a hypothetical problem. this is a national security threat. the fact that we keep adding to the national debt makes it more unsustainable. it's something to be concerned about. now we have no choice. he's telling us we are unpatriotic if we raise a question about it. if we even attach conditions to it to make sure we are not back in the same position just a few months later. >> senator, i think the worst thing republicans in the house can do at this point is give in to this president bully. this arrogant president who won't negotiate. it would be a bad precedent if they allow him to get away with this. i like that they are passing individual bills. do you support the strategy? do you have anything to add? >> i support them whole heartedly. moments before i came into the studio i was on the phone with my friend jim bridenstein fro

unpatriotic, failure of leadership to raise the debt limit. well, now he's saying that he wants a clean debt limit increase, no negotiation, period, no negotiation on the debt limit. well, at the time when he said that not raising the debt limit was a leadership failure, the total federal debt was $8.3 trillion. today it's $16.8 trillion, $16.9 trillion. so the federal debt literally is double what it was when the president said, current president said back in -- i should say in 2006 as a member of this chamber in the united states senate that raising the debt limit would be a failure of leadership. now it's twice that amount. $8.3 trillion in 2006. now we're over -- going on $17 trillion. and so it seems to me that the president of the united states, who described raising the debt limit in 2006 when the debt was half of what it is today as a leadership failure, ought to be willing to exercise some leadership, to engage himself in a process that would allow us to sit down and talk about what we can do to get this debt under control. there are

it's unpatriotic. i said jesse helms spent 16 hours.hat i meant to say was 16 days filibustering against martin luther king jr.'s birthday in the senate. but this vitriol against our president shows the true color of the north carolina republican party. as governor rendell indicated, allowing the right wing faction to pervert, pollute, and take over what seems to be reasonable republicans, but yet the republicans who defer to this show that martin luther king jr. was right. he said it's not that the actions of those on the -- who are outright racist are problematic. it's the silence of the people who are good. where are the moderate republicans? where are the republicans who would say as you've said that this is wrong, that this is anti-american, that this is unpatriotic, that this is against the best interest of the republican party and certainly america. as long as they are complicit in this, silence the complicity as our best writers and thinkers have taught us about. as martin luther king jr. reinforced. we refuse to raise up our vo

what is irresponsible and unpatriotic is irresponsible conduct, i think not. we should be talk about cutting spending before raising america's debt ceiling and i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from kentucky reserves. the gentleman from new york is recognized. mrs. lowey: i yield one minute to the distinguished leader from madam pelosi. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady from california is recognized for one minute. ms. pelosi: i thank the gentlelady for yielding and for her great leadership as our ranking member on the appropriations committee and for bringing us together this evening as we have been all along, 200 house democratic members, 200 strong in support of the republican number that we are voting on today. tonight, the unnecessary shutdown america has been enduring for 16 days comes to an end. thank you, speaker boehner, for allowing majority of members to avoid a default that would have wreaked havoc on our economic correct and stability of our country. it is equally clear that the shutdown has already shaken some pillars of

it's pure provocation, and it's borderline unpatriotic. it's almost as though the president wants a default and a big market sell-off, just so he can blame the gop and somehow win this battle over the shutdown. that's my take but let's ask our distinguished panel. here with us tonight former president obama aide blake zef and wor radio host and personality mike simone. michael steele, you have a good memory. can you tell me which republican, which republican is calling for a treasury default? which one? >> i haven't heard it. >> what is obama talk about? >> i don't know. and that's the part of this that for me is really problematic. because you're talking about something that everyone in washington is pretty much agreed on they don't want to have happen. so why are you getting out here saying that the actions that are related to obama care or this current government shutdown are somehow inextricably tied to and ultimately will lead to a government shutdown. i can beat up, as you have as well, beat up the gop on sort of creating this sort o

done enough work but of course the members of the administration are saying you know you're being unpatriotic or you're not you're not defending the national interest well that's what media is supposed to do in the first place. peter this is absolutely not bluster this is dead serious because look at the economics look what's going on in the economics you've got the brics countries brazil russia india china and south africa that are no longer going to be denominating their international trade in dollars that's twenty five percent of international trade the fear that currencies are about to tag now this is the precursor of a currency war and currency wars are usually the beginning of world wars either we're going to get this corruption straightened out and we're going to get n.s.a. back on a leash or we're going to we're going to go down in flames ok there you can just not playing right can say what's not bluster let me say let me stay with you karen that's a very interesting point because i mean if the united states knows what the other side is talking about two or the other sides this does g

bush's $9 trillion debt was unpatriotic. if they raise it it wilbe $17.7 trillion. >>> he said it is a failure of leadership in 2007 when he was using the debt ceiling. that is i think this stubborn on instruction has a purpose and the purpose is to make more money. so it all of thatn the democratic side? >> the whole problem with this is i thi it goes back to the 41 votes to appeal obama care. the republicans have had an on section with repealing it. that's how the shutdown crisis starts. with them wanted to defund it, repat ge rid of it. that's why it's so hard for them now to say they weren't responsible. and as we get closer to a default, regardless of what egotiations are or are not, in the wake of all o that mome on o c republicans tries to stop it, they could turn into the grand double o party. >> bu something that like, ah, a pumpersticker. there has been talk tothe motsat they're goal is to break the republican party. to exploit this divide within the republica and to stop thm. thib >> no, they misunderstand the evi

the president back in 2006, senator bark bookkeeper obama said that raising the debt ceiling was unpatrioticesponsible. and it is now 17 and you might want to start by saying mr. president we come to the table having agreed with you. seven years ago. not the you today. >> i would agree, when he was a senator, he voted no on raising the debt ceiling and now coming back to us and saying it is irresponsible not to raise the debt ceiling. it is an interesting dichotemmy. you have to look at reality much like the opening monlog. there is a difference between politics and policy. and my concern so many people in washington d.c. come here because they are good at politics and not policy and good ideas. people in home don't need us to look good in washington d.c. but need solutionses and answers and we need to get them solutions and answers. >> very well said. congressman thank you very sxch appreciate you being here and go do the lord's work in the devil's town. thank you very much congressman lapping ford of oklahoma. >> he voted against obama care but now said it is here and we have to live with.

that crosses the line to be unpatriotic. the basic math is very simple.will take and a little over 3 trillion of revenue to the fiscal year 2014 and spent 3.six. we have a $600 billion shortfall that is 60 percent of our budget we have a massive cash flow to cover the bond payment and the vast majority of government. you'd think someone in the white house would be honest to hold the cat can cater to tell the truth. lou: even in gdp terms it is even more simple. 3 trillion of revenue we talk about $30 billion per month of interest it is an absurdity as people sit around the briefing room not to understand elemental math to challenge j. carty the president and the treasury secretary and president every time they make that absolutely obnoxious intellectually dishonest and factually incorrect statement spicule nailed it by realizing the difference between math majors or finance or journalism majors lou: don't go too far. [laughter] >> but i sat down with some reporters today and walked them through the debt service through 2014 projecting $237 billion. divide

that is unpatriotic. john: just five years later mr. is president and suddenly the debt is not the problem, the debt ceiling is the problem. >> congress must authorize the treasury to pay america's bills. this is done with a simple and routine vote to raise what is called the debt ceiling. this is important. raising the debt ceiling is not the same as a proving more spending. john: it is not? i already gave one unfriendly analogy. let's do another one. that's a i am a drug addict, strung out on heroin. i will feel better in the short run if i inject more heroin. in the long run i will be better off whether i'm going cold turkey or methadone clinic or figuring out some way to get from my addiction to being short. likewise, we have to figure out how we go from this addiction to government spending, whether financed by borrowing more taxes, that is a problem we have to deal with. too many people in our country you are being trapped by the heroine of government dependency all these special interest groups, washington is one of the most corr

that is unpatriotic. john: just five years later mr. is president and suddenly the debt is not the problem, the debt ceiling is the problem. >> congress must authorize the treasury to pay america's bills. this is done with a simple and routine vote to raise what is called the debt ceiling. this is important. raising the debt ceiling is not the same as a proving more spending. john: it is not? i already gave one unfriendly analogy. let's do another one. that's a i am a drug addict, strung out on heroin. i will feel better in the short run if i inject more in the long run i will be better off whether i'm going cold turkey or methadone clinic or figuring out some way to get from my addiction to being short. likewise, we have to figure out how we go from this addiction to government spending, whether financed by borrowing more taxes, that is a problem we have to deal with. too many people in our country you are being trapped by the heroine of government dependency all these special interest groups, washington is one of the most corrupt hous

i'm sorry, i don't know at what point that cross the line of being unpatriotic. the math is simple.e're going to take in $3 trillion, a little over $3 trillion in revenue in fiscal year 2014. we'll spend about 3.6. we have a $600 billion shortfall. that's about 16% of our budge we have massive cash to blow to cover our bond payments and the vastajority of government. you would think someone in the white house would be honest, look into the camera and hold a calculator andell us the truth. >> you're right to look at coverage in gdp terms but it's even simpler than that, as you know. the fact is $3 trillion in revenue, we're talking about $30 billion a month in interest to pay. and therefore -- >> even. >> if i may. it's absurd forrthe peopling sitting around the white house press corpsriefing room not to understand element al math and challee jay carney, the president, his administration and treasury secretary ever time thht he make thatbnoxious dishonest and factually incorrect stement. >> y nailed it. i'm starting t realize the differce between journalism majors and math majors. >>

it's unpatriotic. >> one more thing, from march 16th, 2006, we went back in the archives, this is president obama on the senate floor -- sorry, senator barack obama on the senate flor. quote, the fact we're here take to debate raising america's get limit is a sign of leadership failure. leadership means the buck stops here. i therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase america's debt limit. so what is it, president obama? >> do you want to bet any nominee in 2016 will be against the debt limit? >> condoleezza rice was named to the college football playoff committee. when her nam and she's a member of the panel and she said yes, this is what david pollak said. listen. >> i want people on this xlet i committee, that can hfr- >> play football. >> yes, that are around football, that can tell you different teams on tape, not on paper. >> so no woman belongs on the committee is that correct what you said? >> does that mean they don't belong on the sidelines doing all the reporter? >> he believes and a lot of people are offended by women don't bloelong on that committe. she's very schooled i

that is unpatriotic. john: just five years later mr. is president and suddenly the debt is not the problem, the debt ceiling is the problem. >> congress must authorize the treasury to pay america's bills. this is done with a simple and routine vote to raise what is called the debt ceiling. this is important. raising the debt ceiling is not the same as a proving more spending. john: it is not? i already gave one unfriendly analogy. let's do another one. that's a i am a drug addict, strung out on heroin. i will feel better in the short run if i inject more heroin. in the long run i will be better off whether i'm going cold turkey or methadone clinic or figuring out some way to get from my addiction to being short. likewise, we have to figure out how we go from this addiction to government spending, whether financed by borrowing more taxes, that is a problem we have to deal with. too many people in our country you are being trapped by the heroine of government dependency all these special interest groups, washington is one of the most corr

to remind the president back in 2006 senator barack obama said that raising the debt ceiling was unpatrioticible and that's when the debt was only $9 trillion and it's now 17. start by saying mr. president we come to the table having agreed with you, but the you of seven years ago and not the you of today. >> when he was a senator he voted no on raising the debt ceiling and now coming back and saying it would be irresponsible to not raise the ceiling. there is an interesting dichotomy there. you have to be able to look at the reality. what you opened in your opening monologue, there is a difference between playing politics and making policy. so many come here because they are good at politics and they are not good at implementing policies and ideas. the people at home need solutions and answers. we have to get to the solutions and answers and get it solved. >> thank you very much. appreciate you being here. now, go do the lord's work in the devil's town. we appreciate it. congressman james langford of oklahoma. >>> he voted against obama care, but he says that it's here and we need to figure

called that unpatriotic. in 2011, he was this charge when we went through a debt crisis and were downgraded. now he says he wants more debt but he denies we're adding to the debt by raising the debt ceiling. that does not inspire confidence in those people who want to see america's finances run properly. stocks down. martha: it makes no sense whatsoever. i mean obviously if you raise the debt ceiling you will incur more debt, because as you say you have to dig into more borrowing to meet that threshold. >> sure. martha: where does this go from here? >> well you have to read between the lines of what the president is saying. it looks to most people that we'll go right up to the deadline and get some kind of a deal but i want to make another point, martha. we do not default at midnight on october the 17th. martha: that's right. >> we simply do not. you default when you stop paying interest on your debt. we've got a ton of money coming that will pay the interest on the debt. we do not default. simply because we

that is very unpatriotic, if you ask me. i cannot see -- this was an act of terrorism from my point of view because we would not allow a cater to come in here and do to america with the tea party -- al qaeda to come in here and do to america with the tea party was trying to do. chooses to christie run for president in 2016, i would cross party lines and vote for him. he seems to put the party aside to make decisions for the good of the people. if hillary clinton runs -- host: what would you prefer to see house speaker john boehner do when faced with the government shutdown? i would prefer that you not go for the government shutdown. i would prefer that he put the vote on the floor to be fair. i think that would be the american way. host: thank you for your call. let's go to david in herford, arizona. caller: good morning. i would be more than willing to still vote for a republican if i have a really good background check on who is financing them. i don't want anybody who was ishanced by any tea party-si- agency at all. host:

driving up our national debt is irresponsible and unpatriotic. the words of senator barack obama in 2006 and in 2008. madam speaker, what was irresponsible and unpatriotic is all of a sudden responsible conduct? i think not. we should be talking about cutting spending before we start raising america's debt ceiling. that's just the way it is, i yield back. >> the gentlewoman from new york is recognized. >> i am delighted, madam speaker, to yield one minute to the distinguished leader from california -- where is she? madam pelosi. >> the gentle lady from california is recognized for one minute. >> thank you, madam speaker. i think the gentle lady for yielding. leadership asreat our ranking member on the appropriations committee and for bringing us together this evening as we have been all democrats, 200e strong, in support of the republican number that we are voting on today. tonight, the unnecessary shut down america has been enduring for 16 days comes to an end. thank you, speaker benard for finally allowing a majority of house members to reopen

. >> it seems very unpatriotic, this shutdown.vernment to pull together, unlike the people here who knew how to pull together to get something tough done. >> the cemetery at the site is the final resting place for 9,400 killed in the d-day invasion. >>> turning to this week's office politics, steve ratner speaks of a near death experience of two of america's largest car companies. he played a big role in the revival of the so-called car czar. >> i was not an auto guy. i never worked with cars. i knew nothing about autos. but i knew something about companies. i have never seen two companies in worse shape, for two very different reasons. it came down to bad management. yes, there were problems with gas, unions, japanese competitors and the funding crisis. but g.m. in particular was one of the worst-run companies. it was fortune 500 but had terrible, terrible management. >> how did you fix it? >> we did a massive restructuring. we put g.m. in wipe out liabilities that were unsustainable. some dealerships had to close. >> it was cont

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democrats who were questioning whether there should be a war on terror, they were told they were unpatriotic. i don't see that same language going at republicans. there has been just as much damage to the world, maybe much more damage to america's standing in the world by saying we're ready to default compared to democrats saying should we invade iraq, for instance. >> they're having the same conversations in the uk as we're having here when it comes to pensions, when it comes to workers rights, unions, health care and the expenses and how to control it. there's a huge austerity push there as well. what we do in our congress, does it affect their mindset over there? the world economic councils when they get together, international monetary fund and they all meet globally, they all talk, oh, gosh, we can't pay these bills. >> we've got a democratic president here, the growth there without that extreme austerity. there's been spending cuts here but nothing like what it's been over there. growth here they can only dream about over there. austerity hasn't worked for them. talk about second world

it is unpatriotic. >> and just five years later mr. obama is president and suddenly the debt isn't the problem, the ceiling is the problem. >> congress must authorize the treasury to pay america's bills. this is done with a simple, usually routine vote to raise what's called the debt ceiling. >> this is important. raising the debt ceiling is not the same as approving more spending. >> it is not? i already gave one unfriendly analogy involving lung cancer. let's say i am a drug addict. i am strung out on heroin. i will feel better in the short run if i inject more raheroin. in the long run i will be better off whether i am going cold turkey or methadone clinic or figuring out some way to get from my addiction to being cured. likewise we have to figure out how we go from addiction to government spending whether it is financed by borrowing or spending. there are too many people being trapped by the heroin. the lobbyists, washington is one of the most corrupt towns you can image. >> where do you live? i don't see people objecting to it. mo

it really borders on being unpatriotic, dick armey. i've never seen -- nobody. carter didn't do this kind of stuff, nixon didn't do this kind of stuff. nobody i know, dick armey, did this kind of stuff. and obama does it for political reasons honestly. i'll give you the last word. >> finally let me just say i'm glad you mentioned john boehner will. there is nobody in washington right now that has a more difficult task, a greater diversity of conflicting factions within his scope of responsibility or is doing a better job than speaker boehner. the country ought to be very proud of john boehner. i know i am. >> all right. it was a freudian slip at the top of the show. i said president boehner. i meantspeaker. but he was very presidential telling the americans there will be no default. anyway, gentlemen, i appreciate it. >>> the markets went back in a selloff mode today. we'll take a look at the down day on wall street next up on the "kudlow report". at farmers, we make you smarter about insurance. because what you don't know, can hurt you. what if you didn't know

it's unpatriotic. >> and just five years later, mr.ma is president and suddenly the debt isn't the problem, the debt ceiling is the problem. >> congress must authorize the treasury to pay america's bills. this is done with a simple, usually routine vote to raise what's called the debt ceiling. this is important. raising the debt ceiling is not the same as approving more spending. >> it's not? i already gave one unfriendly analogy involving lung cancer, let's give another one. let's say i'm a drug addict, strung out on heroin. i will feel better in the short run if i inject more heroin. in the long run i'll be better if i go cold turkey or go to the methadone clinic or figuring out some way to get from my addiction to being cured. likewise, we have to figure out how to go from the addiction to government spending. that's the problem we have to deal with, that we have too many people in our country who are being trapped by in effect the heroin of government dependency. we have all the special interest groups, lobbyists. washington is one

it is unpatriotic. once again, senator barack obama. increasing america's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. leadership means that the buck stops here. instead, washington is shifting the burden of bad choices onto the backs of our children and our grandchildren. america has a debt problem, and a failure of leadership. americans deserve better. i therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase america's debt limit. senator barack obama, 2006. but that was then. this is now. the president last week said without an increase in the borrowing limit, the whole world will have problems. in other words, we're all going to die. the sky's going to fall unless the united states raises the debt limit. seems to be a little bit inconsistent on positions regarding the debt limit. of course now the debt limit is up to $17 trillion, double what he talked about several years ago. so we find ourselves in a situation where the president's attitude seems to be, i will not negotiate except with the russians, the syrians, the iranians about

the crack about bush being unpatriot ohh i--ic. >> you're lecturing me and your president is claimingt. it's hypocrisy. >> what is hi pock uh si about putting the full faith of the american dollar in jeopardy? >> he took the point you said was dangerous and terrible. >> i said politics. i agree with that. >> okay. why can't you say republicans are playing politics. poof, you're even. >> then let's play politics. in this case the debt was increased when obama said that. let's let it increase and let the funny republicans go home and leave us alope. >> i don't know how you put up with this? >> even my democratic friends say the president failed to lead. he has not put forward a situation to come to resolution. >> now it's affecting children, the military. 37%. >> let's not kid ourselves. >> coming up, we go to the street s of new york to ask tourists how they are affect ed by the obama/reid shutdown next. . i've been on the fence about it. then i read an article about a study that looked at the long term health benefits of taking multivitamins. they used centrum silver for the study...