. >> he's not that unpowerful. he's released the emails and surveillances of the cell phone calls and radio transmissions and tipped off the u.s. enemies on collecting the evidence, does that sound a little beyond the scope of whistle blowing? >> he didn't actually publish any of the things you just said. the people that published that was the washington postand the new york times. >> he had control of the information and handed that over to the journalists. >> and what he did when he handed that over, he said i'm providing you with a lot of information. much of this material that needs to be published, much is material you ought to read to understand how to system works and not to be publish and and i'm trusting you to vet this material and make choices as newspapers, just like going to new york times with the pentagon papers, i'm trusting you to make the decisions on what should be published and what should be. if you are upset ub the publishing, direct the criticism to them for publishing it, not for snowden for