problem is we have this exploding debt and we are adding $1 trillion per year an it is mpletely unprecented. there's no change in sight. this is the debt ceiling debate of july and august 2011 which was supposed to come to grips with spending and our debt. it was punted off until this january. what came out was another probably as a result of the next one. we will come out with everything deferred. we are not facing the problem. ultimately, it will destroy our economy. >> i disagree with both nina and charles. it was postponed. it was avoided. that's a good thing. yes, the candid get kicked down the road. they had to because of the sequestration that will be taking place. what was achieved is that the president the achieved his goal of increasing the tax rate on the wealthy. that was important. the loser clearly being speaker boehner. yet a bad beginning of the year. >> the voters send them across the washingtons and make sure that they get every benefit that the government has available to them. they some republicans to washington to make sure that they will not have to pay. both parties k

insanely driven, absurdly mendacious, fantastically resourced white male opposition was not only unprecented, frankly, it shocked the -- out of nearly everyone. i've never seen people look so slapped before. i mean, never seen people look so slapped before. because, you know, they were crunching their numbers. and they thought they had all those darn states. and, you know, i was on a book tour. and i went to 20 something different states throughout that election. and i'm not an expert. and i wasn't taking polls. but i wasn't seeing what they were saying. i was hearinfor e first time a kind of unconscious coordination, where i was actually running into kids who were normally real conservative, you know, come from conservative communities. i remember when i was in miami. and there were all these young cuban kids, who were like, "yeah, i'm voting for obama, because romney sounds nuts to me." and it was the first time i ever heard people talk like that. >> what was happening to those kids? to bring about that change on their part? >> listen, i think one of the things that's real strange, and you