let me correct you about unrecusal. case where a prosecutor recused himself because of a conflict of interest. two months later he unrecused himself because he realized maybe the conflict of interest shouldn't have prevented him from dealing with the case. >> so, it has happened. >> it has happened. not only that, presidents always want to appoint loyalists to the attorney general starting with obviously john kennedy appointing his brother, reagan appointing his personal lawyer, william smith. president obama appointing a loyalist. i think what we're missing here is that the president was really upset that sessions didn't tell him before he was appointed that he would have to recuse himself because then he would have appointed someone else. >> ambassador eisen, hillary clinton famously claims she and her husband were a part of a vast right-wing conspiracy, but never made this claim publicly. unlike this president that pushed a number as commander in chief. do you see a difference? >> i do. what we seen from president tr

>> what he is trying to say is the president has the right to ask to unrecuse hymn.nteresting about what we are finding out about tonight is that mueller might be investigating the obstruction activity. we are going back to march of 2017 and trump is concerned about the fact, well, an investigation is going to be started and sessions is not in control. so this pushes the obstruction -- >> broadens the charges. >> earlier in time investigation. >> do you agree, michael? how much could this add to a possible obstruction of justice investigation? >> paul is right, let's look at the time line. i call it abuse of office more than obstruction of justice. i think you know, you first go before comey firing and you ask about the let the flynn investigation go as you thought that might be the first act. but if the pressuring of sessions to unrecuse himself in the face of regulations that require him to recuse himself is thought to be part of that abusive chain of behavior, then paul is right. you can go back in time to that potentially as your start point and you see everythin

if the pressuring of sessions to unrecuse himself is thought to be part of abusive chain of behavior.ave done. i want this to end and i'm going to do anything i can to ensure that's the outcome i achieved. >> you know, i'm wondering is he going to tell trump what mueller asked him. >> i think sessions is free but i'm sure that muelle rand his team asked him not to share his testimony. >> thanks very much. appreciate it. more breaking news just ahead. court documents show that a sweet art plea deal, the guy known as the taxi king got a lot sweeter after cohen's office was raided. we have details on that in a moment. your worst symptoms including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances. most pills only block one. flonase. with tripadvisor, finding your perfect hotel at the lowest price... is as easy as dates, deals, done! simply enter your destination and dates... and see all the hotels for your stay! tripadvisor searches over 200 booking sites... to show you the lowest prices... so you can get the best deal on the right hotel for you.

was there something -- >> unrecuse himself. >> how do you unrecuse yourself.ver come up with that idea. but the president has quite a creative mind and thought that unrecusing was okay. you have to remember, the president on recusal, he's very open about is this. he said on the record in an interview we did last july, i would not have made him my attorney general if i knewways going to recuse himself. he does not hide from this issue. today after we wrote our story, he posted his tweet with quotes from tray gowdy in which he talks -- there denigrating sessions. he said he shouldn't have appointed sessions again. he does not hide from this issue at all, but mueller wants to ask him about it. rudy says he shouldn't answer questions about it. >> and now we've got, based on your reporting, we've got not only the president telling reince priebus that he should get sessions to resign, not only the president telling don mcgahn to get jeff sessions to unrecuse himself, but now we have the president himself directing jeff sessions that he should unrecuse himself, which

. >> and chen, according to the new york times trump was asking sessions to unrecuse himself at thisch -- about this march '17 confrontation and all of this is being investigated by bob mueller. it seems that looking into obstruction, do you see obstruction? >> potentially. i think that him having sessions come down there after the fact to berate him about that, that i'm sure is going to raise the interest level of mueller's team and to follow up on what david was saying it's important to analyze that the a.g. has more than one case. the more that the president focusses on one case as reasons to wanting to unrecuse himself contrary to the advice of the regulations and career prosecutors the more suspicious that begins to look. >> shan, rudy giuliani say, unrecused doesn't say bury the investigation. it says on the face of it, take responsibility for it and handle it correctly. does giuliani have a point? >> he has a point although it doesn't seem applicable to these circumstances. the message does seem to be i want you to stick around and change your mind because i want you to bury t

unrecused doesn't say bury the investigation.e face of it, take responsibility for it and handle it correctly. good enough? is that going to fly with mueller's team? >> remember, giuliani was a guy who said a couple of weeks ago, he's only partially there in terms of learning the law and facts. he's still partially there because as we started at the top of this segment, the law requires sessions to be recused from an investigation of a campaign on which he was a senior member. so there is no partial pregnancy here. he is pregnant with conflict and he has to recuse himself. so giuliani's notion that he could partially manage this is just inconsistent with the regulations that govern sessions' behavior and good for jeff sessions for following the regulations and resisting the calls for him to come back on to the case. >> by the way, executing so many of the president's wishes, perhaps the one in his cabinet who's done that the most, who's looking at key things like immigration for this president. thank you very much. >>> ahead for

. > and he tried to pressure sessions to unrecuse himself. that could play into robert mueller's investigation of obstruction of justice. brian stelter, what a 24 hours it has been for roseanne and her cast and everyone who has worked on that show. >> it has been head spinning for barr and her fans and her detractor. abc knew it was playing with fire when they brought the show back in the first place. the executives thought they would be able to manage her. now roseanne is deeply apologizing but promoting new conspiracy theories. roseanne barr making excuses for racist tweet comparing one of president obama's top advise oers to an ape. she blames the sleeping pill ambien and claims she didn't know jarrett is black. the star repeatedly a will poll skwraoe apologizing. >> thank you for making america great again. >> but a torrent of retweet from fans portraying her as a victim of a liberal double standard. the comedian retweeting posts, including this fake yearbook quote claiming jarrett wanted to change america to be a more islamic country, la

the reason he is going to jeff sessions and saying well, don't unrecuse yourself, it is not because henks it is good policy, he wants sessions to help him limit the russia investigation. and that's evidence of obstruction of justice. >> and it's a question to talk about the pardon issue, is he dangling pardons in front of people now so they behave, you know, and so they don't cooperate with mueller. i mean, that's another question. >> all of a sudden the former steve strategist steve bannon is weighing in on getting access to sensitive documents in the russian investigation. watch what steve bannon said. >> they refuse to give the documents to nunez. i think now that rosenstein ought to be -- i think he ought to be given a direct order. very simple. turn every document associated with this spy in cambridge, and whatever foreign institution was involved, mi-5 or 6 or anybody else, you get whatever the fbi did, you get whatever the cia did. you see clapper and these guys on tv and brennan, they're bitter old men. turn over every document and if he doesn't turn it over, give him 24 hours.

let's talk about whether the president is right in your estimation that jeff sessions should unrecuse himself. not sure if that is a word but we'll go there. >> i don't think either the president or jeff sessions saw what was coming. i don't think either one of them could have predicted what had happened. jeff sessions had the made the decision at the time he made it. i don't know if he made the right decision or not. reasonable minds can disagree on that conclusion. i do understand why trey gowdy said the president might be frustrated. it's not ideal for him. >> harris: what role can or should jeff sessions play as the attorney general right now. what does the recusal mean for some of the things that you would want to happen in an investigation now? >> as long as he is recused. once he recuses himself untiles and until the time d -- until he unrecuses himself he can't touch it. it falls next in line which is rod rosenstein. if he reverses that, that changes. but unless and until that happens it's rod rosenstein and not jeff sessions. >> harris: what do you make of the president back

trump supporter saying that. >> how typical would it be for someone under this investigation to unrecusee request of the beneficiary and candidate from that campaign? >> i think it would be expastramily unusual and the appearance of it would be terrible. one of the purposes of recausal is not just you think the law absolutely compels you to recuse yourself, but you think the appearance of fairness and justice require it. and i think that if attorney general sessions hadening chaed his mind, particularly after the appearance of pressure from the president, it would have dramatically undermined the credibility of his involvement and i'm sure he knew that. he seems to have been in a very difficult position having made this decision and then having his boss, the president, put some pretty strong pressure on him to change his mind. >> you. so, kenneth, when you see this, what does it add to the portrait of doctor ump? bill and i have had a kind of a discussion across the peaks and valleys of 20 on when it comes to legal strategy, donald trump is better at it than he often gets credit. >> well

can you unrecuse yourself? is this possible?think it's possible given the reasons why he recused himself. sometimes a conflict could alleviate -- you own stock in a certain company, you sell it, now you're able to participate it. now here, he got out because he was viewed as being a partisan of the president and maybe had meetings with russian leaders during the campaign. >> john, is there anything wrong with the president of the united states multiple times pressuring the attorney general to unrecuse himself? is it obstruction of justice or not? >> i don't think so. i think what's going on here is president trump, sounds like he's grousing, whining, complaining. he's obsessed with the russia investigation. but it doesn't sound like he's really trying to get in the way of the investigation. he could order sessions to take control of the investigation, if he refused, fire him. he could order rosenstein to do it. it doesn't sound to me like this is really enough for obstruction of justice. >> to john's point, he grouses a lot. i l

to try to get sessions to unrecuse himself, if that's a word, from the russia investigation. why is the president so obse obsessed, so angry at sessions for having done the right thing and recusing himself? >> his view of what the attorney general should be is a protector of the president. i don't think he's correct but he viewed eric holder and lo receipt retta lynch as protecting barack obama. that's what he went into the residency with very limited knowledge of how washington works. that's how he viewed this guy sessions. this was his right hand man. believed in donald trump way before any other republican politicians did. i think he was the first republican senator to endorse trump. believed that sessions was going to play this role of insulating him from any legal jeopardy and right in the begins of his white house tenure he takes himself out of investigation that's a mortal threat. >> joey jackson could this be seen as obstruction of justice. the president trying to convince sessions to unrecuse himself? >> it depends upon who you ask. if you ask any democrat, they'll s

. >>> "the new york times" reporting president trump pressured attorney general jeff sessions to unrecuse himself from the russia investigation, and now special counsel mueller is investigating those discussions. the "times" says sessions flew to florida to have dinner with the president in march of 2017 and was berated about his decision to recuse. he refused to reverse it. the special counsel appears to be focusing on obstruction of justice in his inquiry. sessions could be a critical witness if the president did pressure the attorney general to shield him from the investigation. >>> it's the meeting that could make or break. the trump summit in singapore. secretary of state mike pompeo sitting down today or tomorrow in new york with kim yong chol, one of the highest ranking officials and former spy chief. nic robertson live from seoul. good morning. this is an interesting meeting with a central figure to the kim regime. >> reporter: a figure who is very experienced and very well versed in negotiations. he has for several decades been involved with negotiations with the south korean gov

you can't unrecuse yourself because you can't undo the facts.d himself because he said he never spoken to any russians and it turned out that he spoke to many russians during the campaign. he concluded that he would be part of the story. he had to recuse himself. you can't unring that bell and therefore he was right to recuse himself. you can't go backward on those kinds of things. >> jonathan, tonight where fdr hosted churchill. lyndon johnson came to grip of taking the reign of power. there's clearly a light on and a television on. i have just been handed this tweet by our president trump, guess what it is about. it reads and the recusal was an unforced betrayal of the president of the united states. quoting in all caps. joe digenova, former u.s. attorney, jonathan, all of those good reasons that you cited at the end of your arguments, three reasons on why we should not look for the dismissal. here we have the windmill tilting again. >> yeah, the phrase for now in terms of jeff sessions job security looms large. yes, i think this is the presid

. >> giuliani is trying to say the president has the right to ask the attorney general to unrecuse himself. >> to try to push the top cop to violate the ethics of the bar is just outrageous. >> this is is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. >> i'm trying to move closer to you. they said i was taofr arp. i'm moving closer every segment. >> good morning, everyone. welcome to our "new day". roseanne barr has been tweeting eight hours straight through the night. the last one was about one minute ago. she has sent out more than 100 posts, including retweets defending herself after being fired from one of the most popular shows on tv by abc for a racist tweet she sent about former obama aide val isry jarrett. >> barr up all night writing new things, blaming ambien for the tweet. unknown to anyone, one of the side effects is being a little bit racist. she thought jarrett was saudi not african-american. i didn't know ambien made you do that. president trump remains silent on this. busy day. >> yes, indeed. yesterday morning, abc executives called up roseanne barr and said, look, we hav

about anything, but if you look at -- i think the significance of trump trying to get sessions to unrecuse himself is the timing of it. he did this before mueller was even appointed. before the investigation truly began in earnest. so that could say something about the president's state of mind. i don't think it says something good. but just the way that he mistreated him, making him go down to mar-a-lago. refusing to take his phone calls and then when sessions goes down to first and foremost talk about the travel ban, certain aspects of travel ban, which according to trump was so incredibly important for national security. the president refused to even talk about it, and insisted they talk about why he does not unrecuse himself. it shows you at every step of the way the president is first and foremost about him. look at what he said about roseanne. that tweet. i mean, if that is not the ramblings of a narcissist, i don't know what is. roseanne even apologized. take what you will from her apology, how genuine tvs, but she even apologized. he has to say whoa is me and i'm being victimized?

he said the president didn't demand he unrecuse. or bury the investigation. demanding to unrecuse means he did ask him and it means that sessions is much more of a consequential player in the probe than we understood before. there can be many more discussions yet to have been reported. how deep it goes into obstruction of justice -- and i'm not a lawyer -- will depend on underlying crimes. if they say collusion isn't a crime, that's one thing. obstruction of justice, it will be argued by the president's counsel it's within his authority to make these demands and ask his employees to do this or that, that it's perfectly legal. if they come up with underlying crimes like financial crimes then they need to speak to the president about whether or not there was corrupt intent, willful intent. that will make the obstruction of justice charge look different than it might right now. >> okay. under any other circumstances, jeff sessions would be the shining star in trump's cabinet. trump's iminvestigation, plans, policy, that's all sessions. if you think about what co

to underline that, the president launching into jeff sessions berating him and saying you should unrecuseso you can control this inquiry is another data point of a person acting like they're guilty. i don't know if he's guilty but he actions guilty all the time every time. michelle goldberg and jennifer rogers, great to have you both. >>> up next, the trump administration's use of children as pawns in their immigration policy. the latest escalation next. ogen® beach defense® sunscreen. helioplex™ powered, uva uvb strong. beach strength protection for the whole family. for the best day in the sun. neutrogena®. but i'm not standing still... and with godaddy, i've made my ideas real. ♪ i made my own way, now it's time to make yours. ♪ everything is working, just like it should ♪ and it's time to get outside. pack in even more adventure with audible. with the largest selection of audiobooks. audible lets you follow plot twists off the beaten track. or discover magic when you hit the open road. with the free audible app, your stories go wherever you do. and for just $14.95 a month you get a cr

ie, unrecuse yourself because i want you involved. eric holder would have protected president obama. so that should be in place for me too. the obstruction pattern does not look good for the president. attacking, victimizing and humiliating his attorney general in public, that may be a personal quirk of the president, will not hurt his legal defense. >> laura, what about that? asking jeff sessions to unrecuse himself, which is a new verb, is that obstruction? does that play into obstruction? >> now we have up recuse, a whole vocabulary now because of the president of the united states. in and of itself, it is not obstruction in isolation. usually obstruction cases are developed based on pattern, practice and behavior that suggests a motive. if you don't already have one, it is trying to establish what the the motivation for doing so? it suggests we have all been thinking up until now perhaps the statements and firing of jim comey is where the investigation about obstruction would begin. it predates that now. perhaps it was the fact th

on the issue of trump wanting sessions to unrecuse himself. that doesn't surprise me at all. i don't find that surprising that if he told his white house counsel -- it's ridiculous. he talked to him for 5 minutes in his office. why the heck is he recusing them? he may be told mcginnis -- it didn't go anywhere. but this was leaked it tonight. another leak out of the doj. your reaction? >> turning the page. but at the time this happened i thought that sessions's recusal was too broad and an overreaction because it didn't comply with the regulations of the justice department, which are the same ones that sort of apply to mueller as well. i know everybody wants to look at this as an investigation. president trump has to look at this as this affects my ability to govern. that's why the special counsel is such a terrible institution and it's been a terrible institution to every president of either party. >> laura: i think there's a lot to do -- everyone says russia is the bogeyman. every time someone says russia, i say china. china is a much bigger threat to the united states. i th

serious stuff. >> i want to play you what giuliani said about that sessions, the request that sessions unrecuse and his argument and get your reaction. take a lis. >> and would that be considered obstruction of justice? >> no, oh, no, hardly. i mean, you got to be able to ask cabinet members to do things you think they should do even if you commanded him to do it, it wouldn't be obstruction of justice. >> i don't think he has a clue what he's talking about. he may at one time or another have been a good lawyer. clearly he doesn't understand the meaning of obstruction either under the federal criminal law or more importantly, as a potential article of impeachment. when the president to protect himself tries to deflect attention from his potential wrongdoing, even if in the end he's just paranoid and he really didn't do anything worth covering up, that is an impeach peachable offense. we know that from the history of impeachment, from dick nixon. in this case, increasingly there are not just smoking guns but smoking howitzers all over the place in plain view how his entire campaign worked land in

to underline that, the president launching into jeff sessions berating him and saying you should unrecuse so you can control this inquiry is another data point of a person acting like they're guilty. i don't know if he's guilty but he actions guilty all the time every time. michelle goldberg and jennifer rogers, great to have you both. >>> up next, the trump administration's use of children as pawns in their immigration policy. the latest escalation next. ythig so we know how to cover almost anything. even "close claws." (driver) so, we took your shortcut, which was a bad idea. [cougar growling] (passenger) what are you doing? (driver) i can't believe that worked. i dropped the keys. (burke) and we covered it. talk to farmers, we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ welcome to holiday inn! thank you! ♪ ♪ wait, i have something for you! every stay is a special stay at holiday inn. save up to 15% when you book early at hollidayinn.com when you said youe, sir. were at the doctor, save up to 15% when you book early but your shi

reading your story it's his abuse of jeff sessions, his anger after his rekudsal and iz efforts to unrecuse himself that could pose the most danger to the president. >> this sort of reporting was borne out of the 49 questions because if you look at them, so many of them are dedicated to sessions in things beyond comey. you sort of look at other matters or other things. and if you look at the questions, there's one about did the president try and get sessions to reverse himself on the recusal decision. and we knew that the recusal decision was something of interest to mueller, but when you peel back and you look deeper, there is an event like this where the president is going to him and saying, look, you have recused yourself, but can you come back? can you come back and be in charge of the investigation? i give the president some creative points for, you know, coming up with such a novel idea that most lawyers would never, ever think of. >> but there were a lot of guardrails around the trump/sessions relationship. and they've all been before bob mueller so there are a lot of people who have

the idea of sessions coming back to unrecuse himself. to legal folks, the idea of unrecusal is a baffling idea. it's a very creative legal idea. something that a lawyer would probably not come up with the idea of doing. the concept of. but this is something that the president is obsessed about. he has, he'll speak about it publicly in july when we sat down with him, he said he would not have made sessions his attorney general, if he knew he was going to recuse himself. >> nick, it's so fascinating again to hear what donald trump and the entire team said about jeff sessions. during the campaign. that he was the most brilliant mind on capitol hill. that he was the one man they could trust to be with donald trump. donald trump said he was so brilliant, he could appoint him any cabinet position and he would do an extraordinary job. they were thinking about appointing him as secretary of state. and attorney general. they went down the list. >> and then they're asking him to do something that no lawyer would ever do and not recusing themselves

times" story that said trump pressure jeff sessions even after he recused himself to effectively unrecuse himself. he considers that of a trail. he thinks that jeff sessions had a responsibility to oversee this as an ally, oversee the russia probe. jeff sessions was one of the supporters of donald trump from first the beginning and was one of the first nominees to the cabinet, and here he is washing his hands, and donald trump does not take kindly to that. jane: i want to ask you about an emotional moment at the white house press briefing. let's take a look at sarah sanders being questioned about school shootings. >> can you tell me what the administration has done and will do to prevent this senseless tragedies? sarah sanders: i think that as a kid, and certainly as a parent, there is nothing that could be more terrifying for a kid to go to school and not feel safe. so i'm sorry that you feel that way. this administration takes it seriously. jane: anthony, members of the hardened white house press corps have never made sarah sanders cry. who was that boy? anthony: it was an emotional mom

influences or empiedin impedinga witness, when impeding did president asking attorney general to unrecuse himself? lou: it does not go to the intent. >> this is embarrassing legally, embarrassing that mueller does not know better. lou: and powerfully there has never been a president either, ever indicted for be on vehiclef justice. >> you can't indict a sitting president, so there. lou: nope, another problem with this special counsel. all right victoria, great to have you with us. >> thank you. >> thank you. lou: still ahead, even dems are warning the mueller team to not meddle in midterms. they are great. we'll have more -- they are late, we'll have more on the fake witch-hunt. it is real, but fake mueller phony witch-hunt, how is that? legal analyst gregg jarrett liberty mutual stood with me when this guy got a flat tire in the middle of the night, so he got home safe. yeah, my dad says our insurance doesn't have that. what?! you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. lou: some dems are warning somewhere counsel mule -- special counsel mueller to

he's looking into the march 2017 meeting with trump and sessions about him unrecusing himself. >> right i'm not the lawyer, youm begr is so wrapped up in this, so abusively biased, and he's so desperate, he doesn't understand simple fundamentals of the law that he should know for example that the president has the right to ask for investigations and stopping investigations. >> or prosecutions, or not to prosecutor. prosecute. a historical example is president andrew johnson after the war dismissing indictments against robert e. lee and other confederate generals for treason. the president was authorized to do that. now mueller wants to criminalize a conversation where he's scolded for using the wrong regulation to recuse himself? the regulation calls for recusal in criminal cases. this was a counter intelligence probe. this underscores what an amount of taxpayer money he's squandering. the president has constitutional authority. the constitution is on his side. he has the precedence and constitutional authority, and it's not ambiguous. it's straightforward. we have the precedence. muell

influences or empiedin impedinga witness, when impeding did president asking attorney general to unrecuse himself? lou: it does not go to the intent. >> this is embarrassing legally, embarrassing that mueller does not know better. lou: and powerfully there has never been a president either, ever indicted for be on vehiclef justice. >> you can't indict a sitting president, so there. lou: nope, another problem with this special counsel. all right victoria, great to have you with us. >> thank you. >> thank you. lou: still ahead, even dems are warning the mueller team to not meddle in midterms. they are great. we'll have more -- they are late, we'll have more on the fake witch-hunt. it is real, but fake mueller phony witch-hunt, how is that? legal analyst gregg jarrett [music playing] (vo) from day one, we always came through for our customers. it's how we earned your trust. until... we lost it. today, we're renewing our commitment to you. fixing what went wrong. and ending product sales goals for branch bankers. so we can focus on your satisfaction. it's a new day at wells fargo. but it's a

influences or empiedin impedinga witness, when impeding did president asking attorney general to unrecuse himself? lou: it does not go to the intent. >> this is embarrassing legally, embarrassing that mueller does not know better. lou: and powerfully there has never been a president either, ever indicted for be on vehiclef justice. >> you can't indict a sitting president, so there. lou: nope, another problem with this special counsel. all right victoria, great to have you with us. >> thank you. >> thank you. lou: still ahead, even dems are warning the mueller team to not meddle in midterms. they are great. we'll have more -- they are late, we'll have more on the fake witch-hunt. it is real, but fake mueller phony witch-hunt, how is that? legal analyst gregg jarrett joins me here next. ♪ with expedia, you can book a flight, hotel, car, and activity... all in one place. ♪ everything you need to go. ♪ expedia® ♪ running a small business is demanding. and that's why small business owners need more. like internet that's up to the challenge. the gig-speed network from comcast business gives you

what would have happened if he unrecused himself and jumped back into all decisions regarding russia.well, president trump fails to understand and he keeps on failing to understand that law enforcement officials and prosecutors live under a set of ethics. their first loyalties are to those principles. jeff sessions is an appointee of president trump, he's a prosecutor and law enforcement official. he made his decision of recuse as a whoal based on facts. he recused himself because he said he never spoken to any russians and it turned out that he spoke to many russians during the campaign. he had to recuse himself. you can't unring that bell and therefore he was right to recuse himself. you can't go backward on those kinds of things. >> jonathan, tonight where lyndon jonathan jade mouthnson taking the reign of power. i have just been handed this tweet by our president trump, guess what it is about. it reads and the recusal was an unforced betrayal of the president of the united states. joe digenova, former u.s. attorney, jonathan, all of those good reasons that you cited at the end of

a flawed witch hunt, why he should, as we have talked about months and months ago, unrecuse himself immediately. this time he would be following the correct law without a doubt when the attorney general situations. well, i have personally always liked and respected. what he's done here has now left this administration and country more exposed to the deep state that has been working against the president you elected since the very beginning. just last week we learned that one informant, likely more, working in coordination with the obama justice department actively infiltrating the trump campaign, spying on a multitude of people associated within can trump's election efforts. here's what two of the men that were spied on had to say on this program right here last night. take a look. >> i think what this meeting was about was that the use me as a way to get an introduction to george. he wanted to go to george papadopoulos. he used carter page to get to me and me to get to george. that was the whole chain hoff events there. >> i believe i got two or more approaches by individuals trying to offered

professor turley, asking someone to unrecuse themselves, that alone has issues.mony made by jeff sessions himself at some point that will show this president was trying to obstruction something, maybe for his own ego, but he was trying to stop something from happening, was he not? >> that's going to be the challenge of his counsel. if they have to find a way to take these acts that they are not denying. one of the interesting things about giuliani's appearances, he didn't deny these facts. he didn't deny sessions was brought to mar-a-lago, berated and told to unrecuse himself. the test is how do you thread the needle and have a defense? that defense is being whittled down to one. that is, trump can argue that during the campaign, early in his administration, he was really campaigning against the justice department as well as other agencies. particularly the justice department and he viewed it as a hostile agency. i think his claim is going to be that he was not against the investigation as much as he was against what he viewed as a conspiracy or an unfair effort

unrecused. president trump says he wishes he picked a new attorney general.tack on jeff sessions and his comes as the president's personal lawyer just left court. and stormy daniels's attorney was there as well. i'll speak to michael avenatti about a ruling to keep him out of the case for now. and president trump just weighed in on the roseanne barr controversy, but he did not call out the actress. instead he called out abc. meanwhile, roseanne is

new york times" has reported that president trump tried to have the attorney general jeff sessions unrecuse himself from the russia investigation. if true, could that seem as obstruction? >> in and of itself, no. but what it does is lead to believe the larger conclusion and gives contextual clues about the fact what are the stages and steps that were put in motion to have the overall obstruction case be built against the president of the united states if any. remember the president seems to have a chicken versus the egg game playing out. he believes it was the firing or recusal of jeff sessions that in many ways led to the firing of james comey and the special appointment. in many ways has led to this self-fulfilling prophecy he in fact is or his campaign is being investigated the way it is. in isolation every single stage is important, but not being critical in telling you it's absolute obstruction. certainly if he's attempted to do so in a way that undermines the investigation and also begs the question why do you require somebody's to be a loyalist, who's somebody to have a role over an

sessions refused to do that, trump asking him to unrecuse himself. also part of mueller's big obstruction investigation, broader than the firing of james comey, what does that signal to you? >> the president keeps on failing to understand that lawyers and especially prosecutors and those in law enforcement live by principles. there are rules of the game. you play by the rules of game. there are consequences if you do not. jeff sessions' decision to recuse himself was not based on waking up one morning and decided he wanted to do it, it was because he realized he might be a potential witness in the case and might be a subject of re investigation because of the role he played inat raccuratein denying he had a role in dealing with the russians. the president keeps on failing to understand that you can't just ask a lawyer and a law enforcement official forget the principles that make you who you are. >> the point also i made a second ago is that trump tweeted today that he wished he hadn't chosen sessions, who is still his current attorney general. have

the news is con coveruncovered abou president had gone to sessions and said, hey, i want you to unrecuseourself and now the president latches on to what trey gowdy said, saying i don't want this gs my attorney general, saying this so publicly. why would he do that? >> the president under article 2 of the constitution can appoint who he wants as attorney general. it's been clear from the beginning that he was disappointed that sessions recused himself. i'm sure he was disappointed that and had said publicly that he was not consulted beforehand. >> but because of his involvement during the campaign, russian officials, recommendation from the council -- >> from a legal perspective, he should have recused himself. how he went about that and communicated that to the president is something the president can and should take issue. >> so why is he demanding such a -- >> you have rag eagan, who appointed lawyer who had been with him for years. bush, alberto gonzalez, haeric holder, a loyalist to president obama. there's a history of attorney generals being loyal to the president that appointed th

didn't know until your great story today about this meeting in which the president asked him to unrecuseif that's a word, himself is -- is that can you obstruct justice in public the way the president has been sort of saying i wish i had fired him. jeff sessions is beleaguered, he's awful, he's this and that. now we know why. he thought if sessions were still at the justice department, sessions would have done everything he had asked him to do, including the so-called witch hunt. can you do that publicly? i mean, i've never seen anything like this. >> richard nixon sort of did that, didn't he not? >> the tapes? >> in all of his attacks on this -- on his investigation, which he called the witch hunt, there was a pretty frontal attack on cox and then jawarski. clinton made a pretty frontal attack on ken starr. they were both charged with obstructing justice. i'm not sure you can't obstruct justice in plain daylight. >> when we asked rudy giuliani about this episode, which he said he hadn't talked to the president about, he made the point that he was just making the observation that this wo

. >> the president asked jeff sessions a while ago to unrecuse himself from heading up the russia investigationuld that be obstruction of justice to your mind if the president wanted a loyalist and asked the person who had recused himself to undo it to kwroef ov it? >> his interpretation or your interpretation, our interpretation of loyalists. it wouldn't be inappropriate to have a conversation to get a fuller understanding of the reasons for the reaccusal. the president may have been told by don mcgahn or someone else, the reasons are iffy. so the president -- it might not be inappropriate to push the attorney general to make sure the attorney general considered all factors with his decision to recuse. again, that kind of conversation would not have been in appropriated. at the end of the day, the attorney general stuck with his initial decision, and i think rightly so. >> so you would have recused yourself as well? >> absolutely. once you get that advice from the career ethics officials at the department of justice to ignore it, particularly if you have been someone who worked on the campaign

depending on how you interpret it and it is a perjury trap and giuliani's defense overnight is, quote, unrecuse doesn't say bury the investigation. it says on the face of t take responsibility for it and handle it correctly. okay? that's what giuliani is saying to defend the president in all of this. will that fly with mueller's team? >> right. if i'm rudy giuliani that's exactly how i would answer that, as well. with y but the facts speak for themselves and the report seem to indicate where we're going with this, and with the focus on jeff sessions you have to wonder that the focus is being on jeff sessions is who else is now being drawn into the circle? their top aides suggest sessions may be called in to ask about what they've learned or what they've learned and it just becomes -- this really comes down to why, you know, president trump didn't want to see this independent counsel because once you start investigating you go down a hallway and there are a lot of doors that you can open up. >> i want to make one more point on the giuliani quote. it's interesting, too. it ignores the reason that

. >> sean: months ago on the spot, you said he should unrecuse himself. >> he absolutely should.ut for jeff sessions' egregious mistaken betrayal of the president, the likes of which i've never seen, there would have been no special counsel that america wouldn't have been forced to undertake this russian hoax. there was never any evidence of collusion. there was no intelligence to support a counterintelligence probe. >> sean: let me go to you, joe. we have talked at lengthh , i can't wait for the day, if it ever happens, that we hear from four fisa judges that were lied to, presented false information that was never verified, never corroborated, which the law mandates, and which fbi protocol calls for, and they never told these judges, they can asterisk all they want, may have political change that hillary paid for it. >> i think was going to come out now -- >> sean: and now the spies. to speak of this investigation started at least in may, perhaps april of 2016. so the investigation that mueller inherited is now more than two years old. it was started by a group of intelligence

>> to unrecuse himself. >> that very well might be obstruction of justice.dent has the ability to fire the attorney general, but if he does so with the corrupt intent of interfering with an investigation that's obstruction of justice. so you have to infer from the totality of circumstances, from all the things he does and from these things, too. i know there are people who argue the president has the ability to fire comey and it doesn't matter what his motive is. it's nonsense. i had the absolute right to vote against any bill i want. and if i vote for a bill because i think it's a good idea for the country or because it helps me politically, that's fine. but if i voted for a bill because someone gave me $20,000 to vote for that bill and therefore it's corrupt intent. that's a crime. that's bribery. if he does it with a corrupt intent to interfere with the investigation that's obstruction of justice. >> giuliani also today was pushed about wrapping up the investigation. and he was asked if democrats want to continue the investigation. >> maybe it's a mistake

now you have this piece, him trying to belittle, persuade, get sessions to unrecuse himself, which isn't really a thing in the law, but you have that. and the big question i think now is will sessions cooperate will the investigation? you could be looking at a situation where you have an attorney general who is cooperating with the mueller team against the president. and that could well happen. i think there's questions about will it and could it but it's a possibility. >> wow. that would be -- i mean, remember, jeff sessions was with president trump from the beginning, but he also had a life before trump. he was a member of the government for years and years. it's not like he's a trump loyalist who sort of came from nowhere. it will be interesting to see how it plays out. seeing something else play out. rosanne barr fired from her own show on abc. that's not keeping her quiet. we're looking at her racist tweet, her apology and her history of offensive remarks. first, here's a throwback to roseanne's character back in 1994. >> i didn't raise you to be some little bigot. >> i just don't w