. >> san francisco is supposedly a very unreligious community. maybe that is too in terms of actual membership. but you point out a very important thing. a lot of people say i'm not religious. i'm spiritual. but this place our monthly breakfasts gets people an opportunity to express that spiritual aty however they want. fremont is supposed to be the most religiously diverse city in the united states. but i dare say san francisco is a close second because we've got everybody here. and the wonderful part about the interface council is we value everybody. and we start this chair of our council reverend jim starts off our meeting every second thursday by saying, this is a place where you can be who you are. if you are asked to offer a prayer, you offer it in your terms because that is the wise we learn. >> and so in your years of working in interface work in san francisco, what kind of trends have you seen? >> well, i have seen more interest now than when we started. the san francisco interface council is not the first interface organization in san f