i would name him as unreligious. i never thought him to be religious at all. the thing about him is i guess he followed in his brother who is more like a father figure to him than his father who is all the way across the world. >> now, sir, when you heard it was dzhokhar, the fbi was looking for, what was your reaction to that? >> to be honest, the first time i saw the picture of the suspects on -- i saw the picture op on redit, the blurry kind, i thought there was some resemiblens there, but not enough to contact any authorities. it was probably bad on my part not to do so. i realized it was actually him. >> you were both at umass and dartmouth. apparently, as recent as wednesday, he was living a per pektly normal life. the last time i saw him was two mondays ago. >> and how did he seem to you? >> he seemed very fine. how can you explain -- how can this 189-year-old -- i've got a 19-year-old son. he's about three days older. so i'm trying to think of a kid that age. he's not a kid. he's not a child. he's a young man. he seems to be perfectly normal until all