goal is in terms of reducing out lays in future major weapons systems in other words if we could unscram tbl egg from the theory. it would have saved about 300 billion dollars. what to you think we'll gain in terms of avoiding cost over runs if we properly implement the law and the present stein in 2009. it's - gentlemen, just hold up. you'll get your remaining time. they've just announced a vote on a motion adjourn, i'm going to pause it's the chairs intention to continue the hearing so those that need to make that vote, go do so. thank you very much. we'll give you back that half a minute or so. >> of course, mr. chairman. it's hard to set a target. i hate to set a tar the get to fail by so much. i think under doctor carters leadership and with the committees legislative stance i think we've put in place things that allow us to do that. we're putting far more contracts under fixed price in tentives than cost terms which give a convergence of the incentives of both contractor and the government now to bring it in at the price that was originally quoted. be as we're now sharing the risk.