and to try to think through a few questions that this sometimes unseemingly business raises. tavis: as a society why are we fascinated by it, by celebrating in the first place. >> because crime stories reveal an aspect of our personality has and keep it hidden. we don't like to talk about our hatreds and secrets. but crime stories drag those things to the surface, a consequently they fascinate people. tavis: years ago, bill, i stopped using the phrase, i could never do that, i would never do that. is there something to that? >> absolutely, any of us are capable of doing things we are not proud of. anyone can become a drug addict. if you let yourself do it. and once you do, you do anything to get the drugs. tavis: this book is a nice size text, and let me ask how do we need to rethink how we think about crime? >> the serious people, intelligent people, pbs watchers tend to dismiss the whole phenomena as unattractive. it is, it's a tabloid business that has more unsightly aspects as mike tyson, it has a lot of ugly sides to it. but there are serious questions being raised there