. >> thank you so much, and thanks for joining us for our, i guess, officially unsexy panel, but congressional reform is probably the most high-profile reform that has never really at all been embraced. in their ten-year report, looking at the current state of place, the commission cites there's actually been a proliferation of committees that are now responsible for counterterrorism, homeland security types of issues. we're now up from 88 to 92, so i guess that's some kind of accomplishment we will discuss here. the report also highlights another congressional oversight problem in another realm, which is actually too little congressional oversight when it comes to certain types of programs like sensitive intelligence programs, particularly as we've seen recently those that were highlighted in the snowden revelations, where we saw some -- we have seen and are seeing significant congressional blowback to the way that some of those programs have been conducted, in particular the secrecy around them. with the distinguished panel there he managed a. he's bell known as both a former six-term congre