and the whole idea is to film events as they occur unstaged. and edit them in such a way that people who didn't have the privilege to be in a place as i did for a couple months shooting will -- can feel that they're present and observing and participating in what is going on. and i present my point of view indirectly by the way i edit and the structure of the film. >> to the extent that you say documentaries have some fiction element to them. >> well, that's a good question. i think certainly the structure of a documentary. because i have to come up with the dramatic narrative structure. >> yeah. >> but otherwise it's a series of isolated shots. so that's -- i mean that's the way i do that is the standard novelistic fictional techniques. and i have to build dramatic events. i need silences after a particularly startling scene. i don't good eat startling scene. i have to think about the relationship between the beginning of the movie and end of the movie. the shorthanded way i describe what i do, my movies, is the that they're novelistic, not jo