on one tiny parcel in the city in one of the most diverse and congested areas is just untenable.at project completion patients in the city's southeast quadrant would have to travel to other sections of the city for specialized care, while residents and businesses close to cathedral hill will be burdened for a campus too large for the site in terms of land use, traffic, transit and just pure neighborhood character. thank you. president olague: thank you. [applause] >> hello, commissioners. my name is sandra manning. i'm a resident of the tenderloin and i'm a tenant organizer from the central city s.r.o. collaborative. we, as the tenants in the tenderloin, are asking cpmc, they should provide services and community support that justify its nonprofit status. what is the point of building this hospital when you will not serve the people in the community? all we are asking, cpmc -- if you want to build this hospital in our neighborhood, you must open the door to us for equitable health care for all of us. before you serve us, listen to the community. thank you. [applause] >> good even

not politically but untenable for the country. that is what i think helped bring him to the decision that he should resign so he can get back to those fundamental important issues and challenges. >> i'm getting an example here of why you're the chairman of the congressional campaign committee. i could ask you the color of the sky and you get back to the social security issue. i understand that's your job. help me understand, those who talk to congressman weiner say over the last 24 hours he sounds did i different, a little more in charge of himself, than perhaps he did a week ago. is that fair? >> that is fair. look, the past several weeks have been difficult for the country. difficult for the congress. difficult for weiner and, more importantly, his family. obviously he was going through a range of emotions over the past several weeks. when i did speak with him yesterday without going into the details the conversation, i think it's fair to say he was more clear, more firm, than i had heard him in previous conversations. >> steve

his continued service in congress is untenable. this sordid affair has become an untenable distraction for represent weiner and his family. he should step aside and address his and his family's well-being. >> so as democrats start to abandon weiner we got word saturday that he is seeking professional treatment. he made no mention of that just hours earlier when our own jason terrell caught up with him on the streets of new york and he seemed adamant about hanging onto his seat. >> just to reconfirm about resignation, at this point you have no plans -- >> i have no news for you today. nothing changes. nothing is changed. >> so you're not resigning? >> a majority of weiner's constituents in new york apparently don't want him to resign, but he may not be able to withstand the pressure in his own party to quit. so let's talk about this now with cnn contributor harold lewis. he is a political anchor for new york one news. errol, good morning to you. will the support of new yorkers be enough to weiner here? >> 56% of them say he should i

is that not an untenable? >> there are different ways to pay. we have seen some criminal prosecutions. those have worked out. colonial bank is one where we have had some criminal conditions. there -- some his behavior was not criminal, but it may have been of egregious. bringing civil suits, we bring back a lot against officers and directors. we are quite aggressively suing them and seeking not just to recover money from insurance needs, but also other assets. in some cases, there are cases that are easier to prove as well. throughout this crisis and the gut to the crisis, the lack of accountability was a key problem. that -- that allow people to make short-term decisions without thinking about the consequences of their actions. you need to pay for your mistakes. tavis: why is it that we should believe that this will not happen again? there are a lot of us that do not see the evidence that we are protected from this ever happening again? >> we have a better consumer protection is now. we have stronger lending standards. there is more on that. yo

economically untenable.nse about this is you can't get a tax increase now through the house in the end, it's conceivable that there might be some loophole closures and so on that would constitute a form of tax reform to incorporate in a deal on this that would give the democrats the ability to say they got something in exchange for spending cuts that they plainly do not want to make. >> chris: with the democrats saying we are not going to talk about tax rates. we are giving up on that. we are talking about $3 in spending cut for every $1 in tax increase, isn't that going to make it hard for republicans to say no? >> well, i think because they are focusing on things like most americans are not going have a lot of sympathy for if the republicans oppose. they are saying let's cut these tax loopholes for corporate jets, you know, the oil and gas industry. people who aren't particularly sympathetic. that is what they are putting out instead of raising taxes. i think what could end up happening is they will do a d

. >> weiner's continued service in congress is untenable. this sordid affair has become an up acceptable detractiistractior congressman weiner, his family, his constituents and the house. >> reporter: again today on "meet the press." >> once he crossed that threshold, acknowledged that he'd been lying, had engaged in conduct that is completely unacceptable and indefensible, that's where i felt the line was crossed. >> reporter: house minority leader nancy pelosi also pressed weiner saying, quote, i urge congressman weiner to seek help without the pressures of being a member of congress. >> anthony weiner should resign. >> reporter: polls show the majority of his queens district supports him. but this afternoon a rally outside his new york office demonstrates opinions are clearly divided. >> how do i know how many other things he's lied about? >> i don't agree. >> reporter: sources tell nbc news before weiner makes a decision on his political future, he wants the counsel of his pregnant wife huma abedin, who is traveling with her boss, secret

the only answer is we have to walk away because it has become untenable for us to stay. >> rana, yourthoughts? >> i think we have to remember history in afghanistan. when you walk away or when the dominant foreign power leaves, what typically happens is that the leader gets strung up. the u.s. needs to put a lot more pressure on karzai to deal with corruption. he needs to get his brother out there and get some more buy-in when we leave, whenever that is. >> speaking to what john said, we do have to accept that the end of the story is going to have ambiguity, is going to be a political compromise with people we don't like. one thing that gives me hope, chris, is the regional powers use identical language to describe how this should end. that's what we need to go on chris: when we come back, chris: welcome back. john tell me something i don't know. >> with the i am employees of newt gingrich as a presidential campaign which is dwed if not formal yet, we are about to see the rises of rick perry, the governor of texas. he is going to claim them back. he is the one candidate who has been o

one person would be supervising 16 people, which would be untenable. we would not be able to produce the amount of work that we have promised. regarding the -- supervisor chu: with regards to that point in terms of the supervision, generally in your department, what has been that ratio? >> historically, the ratio is one to six. we pushed it this last year. we are about 1 to 7. for these teams, it would be one to eight. we have pushed that as far as we probably can. in terms of the task complexity, while we do not have a specific point break up, what we do is separate out the task complexity based on job classification. the junior appraisers have significantly less complex work than the senior appraisers, so when we compare them, we compared to your appraisers with each other and senior appraisers with each other, so we are looking at production. we obviously do not expect the same level of production for doing commercial property work as we do from junior appraisers to residential work, but the production numbers are very different. that is how we acco

the only answer is we have to walk away because it has become untenable for us to stay. >> rana, yourthoughts? >> i think we have to remember history in afghanistan. when you walk away or when the dominant foreign power leaves, what typically happens is that the leader gets strung up. the u.s. needs to put a lot more pressure on karzai to deal with corruption. he needs to get his brother out there and get some more buy-in when we leave, whenever that is. >> speaking to what john said, we do have to accept that the end of the story is going to have ambiguity, is going to be a political compromise with people we don't like. one thing that gives me hope, chris, is the regional powers use identical language to describe how this should end. that's what we need to go on chris: when we come back, ♪ [ woman ] this icelandic mud was working wonders on my skin. but if it was going to do the same for my spa, i had to figure out a way to get it back to the states. so i called my citibank small business expert. he got me a line of credit to make it happen and even improved my cash flow. now, my sp

in favor and will support reformers after an estimated 1100 that spirit we have a policy that is untenable. it is unimaginable at this point that assad will be able to lead the transition in syria. >> do you think the administration needs to say enough in order to put the right amount of pressure? >> looking back at the situation in libya, it was the president of united states who said first that gaddafi had lost his legitimacy. from that, a strong statement from the region, united nations security council resolution and the current intervention. those options do not exist in the context of syria. there is no military solution, and i doubt there will be a security council solution that mirrors 1973, but at a point in time, the president of united states has to stand up and say we identify with the people of syria. we are getting killed. we are standing up and demanding more, and that should be able to catalyze whatever support can be brought to bear against assad. >> let's move on to libya. speaker of the house vote to the president yesterday saying he wanted a legal justification for the

. >> weiner's continued service in congress is untenable. this sort of affair has become an unacceptable distraction for representative weiner, his family, his constituents and the house. >> reporter: and again today on meet the press. >> once he crossed that threshold, acknowledge head had been lying, had engaged in conduct that is completely unacceptable and indefensible. that's where i thought the line was crossed. >> reporter: house minority leader nancy pelosi said, quote, i urge congressman weiner to seek help without the pressures of being a member of congress. >> anthony weiner should resign. >> reporter: polls show the majority of his queens district supports him. but this afternoon a rally outside his new york office demonstrates opinions are clearly divided. >> he is a liar. how do i know how many other things he has lied about? >> everybody has lied at some point. >> i don't agree. >> reporter: sources tell nbc before wiener makes a decision on his political future, he wants the council of his pregnant hueneme, huma abedin, who i

about see it live from moscow i'm a researcher i apologies for just as untenable difficulties moments ago grassley talking to. the iranian envoy to the i.a.e.a. sorry about the technical difficulties difficulties got some thanks for joining us again i'm curious to ask you for years now that the u.s. has been employing various forms of covert intelligence operations to gather information on iran's nuclear program this one story operatives taking bricks out of buildings and then replacing them a quipped with radiation senses that we were aware of any such measures. not at all i can just refer you to divvy poor solve the i.a.e.a. which i have almost every day continuous inspection to be twenty four hours cameras working this kind of allegations have been raised during the last eight years i just want to recall you and ask your distinguished viewers to go to the event site and see these words of parching military side navvies our military side many allegations was raised by united states and i approved after an investigation taking samples and early to go process that all these allegation

confused as to whether libya was actually involved or was framed for that so he's been put in an untenable position on a whole bunch of different fronts and i think that he was a very and i think they decided that at this point this was their opportunity to get rid of him. that's a very very lucrative i think absolute right and you're right you know that was his absolute right robert real quickly we just have a minute left of the new defense authorization bill basically says that we can have a war as a last terrorist on earth is dead perpetual war how does a serving interesting states well i'm not sure it serve the interest of the american people and it may serve the interests of certain ruling elements of the american government but if it is so to try to sell it not to be very good to be american people it means more money and it means greater and pageant around the world and frankly many of the things even like the issues. resources in oil that's often better done through the markets rather than by trying to claim these territories that is part of the american empire that's actually work

it's an untenable situation for our people. >> if this was your father in the water drowning, would you this was a frustrating situation? wouldn't you get the crews in the water to save him? >> if the situation was touching me personally, absolutely. i understand the feeling from the community. i understand obviously the family, we feel terrible for the family of the individual. but i can't go back and change the circumstances that took place on monday. i can only change the way we do things going forward. and i have initiated that process and we're going to change it. >> does it worry you at all, these guys are following the rules, following policy, does it concern you at all that there was a lack of compassion, humanity, not a single one of those first responders got into the water, it took a good samaritan, a woman to try to save them and ultimately she was too late? the man was treading water a whole hour. >> i don't agree there was a lack of concern or compassion. i've talked to these people and they rinne credibly concerned and frustrated, again, over the whole situation. and yes,

i hope for his sake he realizes this is untenable. >> sean: does this hurts the party? >> yes.rts democrats. that's what it comes down to. >> i think he should resign. i have a different set of reasons. if you are going to put your wife, your marriage, your job, your career in jeopardy, at least have sex with the women. don't have virtual sex. he had the same pleasure you experience when you play tetrus. it didn't make sense. >> sean: seems he's got real deep problems. >> he's a man, he's a creep. >> sean: we'll just sum it up that way. >> his caucus supports him. if democrats in leadership wanted him out of the house, he would be out tonight. i'm just saying what matters in his case is, what do his fellow democrats think? they support him. ted kennedy killed a woman and served 40 more years with the support of his colleagues. you can get away with it. >> look at clinton. he had meat and potatoes heterosexual sex and didn't resign. >> this isn't a partisan issue. this is a guy who as you suggests has issues. >> he's a pervert. >> for the good of the congress, it is best he move

because the situation has become really untenable.hat led to the demise of mubarak and ben ali in egypt and tunisia, they exist in iran. higher unemployment rates, inflation, an educated population who feel they're disenfranchised and their votes don't count. people used to say when the monster goes out, the angel arrives, meaning if the shah goes out, khomeini arrives. now they see the monster went out and something worse replaced him. now they're not saying that anymore. >> in this mix, what should the administration do? what should the united states do? the obama administration began its term trying to see if there was some way to establish a dialogue with iran. part of what happened is the regime was really not that interested in having a dialogue buzz they need the anti-americanism. then, of course, the green revolution happened. i think right now there is no coherent policy toward iran. should there be one? how should they handle it? >> as you say, the situation is really complicated. i think they should think more about the san

it was politically untenable, absorbed 17% of all news coverage in its third week. it's because it had a tawdry aspect a political aspect and more information. >> i thought it was about 80% on cable. jennifer, clearly the fact anthony weiner lied to the media set the narrative for the way in which the press turned on him. i can't get away from the thought that somehow this stayed in the news every day even when there weren't new women, new texts, new pictures, new developments. >> if that's true, it's attributable to andrew weiner -- >> anthony. >> anthony weiner. andrew breitbart was the other player. i think the press conference was indicative of what was going on. he didn't have to give a press conference which turned into a three-ring circus. he could have sent his resignation later to nancy pelosi. he was baiting them in some sense. when he is lying every day an his poor press person has to put out a statement that says, according to anthony weiner, no explicit pictures or statements were sent to a 17-year-old girl, this isn't the press's fault. >> part of what

his continued service is untenable. this affair has become an unacceptable distraction for representative weiner, his family, his quaets, and the house, and for the good of all he should step aside and address those things that should be most important, his and his family's well-being. >> all right. here's nancy pelosi's statement. she says congressman weiner has a love of his family, the confidence of his constituents and the recognition that he needs help. i urge congressman weiner to seek that help without the pressures of being a member of congress. our very own jason carroll caught up with congressman weiner while he was walking on the streets of new york. they talked about everything, from calls to his resignation to the news that delaware police are investigating an alleged contact between weiner and a 17-year-old girl. jason? >> reporter: it's not clear where the congressman has gone to seek treatment or how long he will be there. a spokesperson released a statement saying congressman weiner departed this mornin

she said that every day that goes by, the government is becoming more untenable. and she said she hopes that this young boy will not die in vain. she hopes the government will end the brutality and move towards democracy. really the strongest comments i've heard from anybody in this administration about the future of this regime. >> you know, elise, there obviously is the frustration. i think it is impossible for anybody who has seen the video, seen the pictures of what is almost a medieval act of torture not to respond that way. but i guess the question for the state department is what will happen next with respect to u.s. policy? is there a tangible, definitive next step that the secretary indicated will follow because of this heinous behavior? >> well, the next step is to go to the u.n. security council and the u.n. is pushing for a strong condemnation of the regime. but the question is, what is that going to do? it's not calling for any sanctions. they're having a lot of problems with the russians. so it's really not clear what leverage, what influence the u.s

isn't this getting untenable at a political level for the white house not to have a specific, articulateaying here is what the answer is goinging to going i to be to the economic problems? >> i think austan goolsbee departure leaves that void and tim geithner, in fairness, not everybody has left. tim geithner is there as treasury secretary. he was there from the beginning. gene sperling moved up. he's been there since the beginning and ben bernanke has been there since the beginning, from the fed. i don't think everybody has jump shipped or left them. i think the goolsbee departure has left a void on the spokesman side. and i really think that it signals that maybe this administration is not going to rethink its economic policy. they're going to ride this out. and as we discussed last week, i think both bob reich and i would argue, you've really got to think about putting more steam back in this economy. >> secretary reich, let me come to you, you have been there in the thick of the politics of this when you served in the clinton administration, when the economy is not going well. we'll

the behavior he has exhibited is indy fencive and representative weiner's continued service is untenable. this affair has become an unacceptable distraction and for the good of all he should step aside and address those things that should be most important, his and his family's well being. >> all right. i want to read nancy pelosi's statement, congressman weiner has the love of his family, the confidence of his constituents and the recognition that he needs help. i urge congressman weiner to seek that help without the pressures of being a member of congress. i want to bring in now dana bash. dana, that is a carefully worded statement from pelosi there. this scandal has been out there for about two weeks now. i want to talk about the importance of these leaders asking him to step down. >> reporter: it's huge. you cannot overstate how big it is that these leaders decided it was time to come out and say this publicly and, don, i'll just tell you i am told these conversations have been privately, individually with nancy pelosi, steve israel, another member of the leadership, another member o

congressman weiner has put nancy pelosi in an untenable position. the democratic leader has already called for an ethics investigation so what does that tell you? i don't see any democrats out there supporting anthony weiner tonight. they know how tough this road is going to be and they shouldn't have to shoulder it. congressman weiner. he says he takes full responsibility? i take issue with that. not really. after nude pictures came out and he couldn't manage it anymore then the responsibility started. i think this is an issue of character. now, as an american worker put yourself in the congressman's position. he's tweeting pictures to a girl half his age on company time and lying about it to the boss. by the way, you're the taxpayer. you're the boss. do you think you would survive that in your workplace? maybe you would. maybe that's just the way america and society is now. i have no interest in congressman weiner's private life. he and his wife i think have got quite a bit to deal with and work out at this point. he made this a public issue. he d

. >> senator weiner's continued service in congress is untenable. this soared add fair has become a distraction for the congressman, his family, the constituents, and the house. snoo nancy pelosi said this. i urge congressman weiner to seek help without the pressures of being a member of congress. a former democratic leashed said there is no clear definition for a congress natural leave of absence and could be left to the speaker's discretion. >> it could mean a week, months. it's kind of like being on the disabled list in baseball. >> he admitted to having correspondence with a 17-year-old girl. >> we put out a statement on that. she has spoken. she's spoken, i think, that's clear. nothing explicit. >> reporter: sources say despite the scandal, he thinks he has the backing of the constituents. >> it's your private life. you are a great man. you are the right person in the right position. i support you. >> we are report this morning that police in r no longer investigating the incident between congressman wei re and the 17-year-old girl. now, while

it is untenable and unworkable and i would hope that someone at doj would ask some questions of u.s. attorney's office in arizona. i cannot imagine that kind of working relationship where proffers are not allowed and subpoenas take six weeks to be approved. i would be hopeful that you would ask that. so you do not know when doj knew that firearms were going to mexico? >> no, sir. i personally do not. >> what is doj's policy on guns walking? >> the attorney general has made very clear that guns cannot walk to mexico. that is to say, guns, it is a violation of law for guns to be transported across the border to mexico. >> what is your definition of walking? >> that, as the committee's report made clear, is the subject of much discussion within atf and -- >> i'm asking about doj. >> i'm afraid i'm not in position to answer that question. i will say that it is -- >> but you would agree that saying that me physically handing someone who is a prohibited person a gun, that cannot be the only definition of walking. having knowledge that a gun is leaving your area of surveillance or jurisdict

. >> the continued service in congress is untenable. this has become a distraction for representative weiner, his family, his constituents and house. >> reporter: house minority leader nancy pelosi issued a statement calling on weiner to seek treatment and resign. adding to the pressure, this weekend tmz.com published new suggestive photos of weiner at the capitol hill members gym that he allegedly sent to an unidentified woman. all that after he engaged in a correspondence with twitter with a 17-year-old high schoolgirl in delaware. police cleared weiner of the crime in that case saying, quote, there was no disclosure of criminal activity nor inappropriate contact by the congressman. despite all that democratic sources tell nbc news weiner will not make any further decisions about his political future until his pregnant wife, huma abedin, returns from an overseas diplomatic trib with her boss, secretary of state hillary clinton. meanwhile, protesters calling for his resignation have shown up in his home office in queens although polls

but day in and day out, the extreme use of significant state-sponsored force in my view makes this untenable a senior administration official admits this is going slowly. in a perfect world we should be moving faster. in libya this official said gadhafi's threat to destroy the threat from benghazi spurred the use of force to protect civilians. in syria the official said there hasn't been this kind of galvanizing effect. there is however an appalling amount of violence and deaths and the u.s. is trying to build a broad-based approach to increase pressure on the regime. military intervention? the outgoing defense secretary said that kind of international ground swell is not there. >> the libyan intervention started with the arab league and the resolution by the gcc and a un council resolution. i see no appetite for any of that respect to syria. >> the syrian president is expected to deliver a speech this sunday. the first in two months. the administration is simply brushing it off they say he can say whatever words he wants, but they say he made a lot of statements, but the syrian people claim

friend given the two points that i have made plus the many my -- the many i have made, it seems untenable that the n.r.c., which is supposed to be an independent agency, would insert itself into a matter between the state of vermont and a private company. and i would just say as the chairman of the environment and public works committee how strongly i support what you are trying to do here, which is to allow your state to, frankly, have the say over something as important as the economic surrounding energy and my friend knows we're working hard in this day and age to make sure america can leap forward and save energy and lead the world and invest in alternatives. and in light of what happened in japan, this becomes more and more important. so just -- i hope my friend will take heart and know that the chairman of this committee stands with him on this battle. mr. sanders: i want to thank senator boxer very much for her thoughts and the extraordinary leadership she's providing on the environmental committee. the issue here is, i think, that everyone understands that the function of the n.r.

>> the way i would put it is there's no single cause of our overall fiscal problems but under an untenable current law scenario that c.b.o. and everyone else projects over the long term, this is about as big a contributor to it as anything. >> obviously when it starts taking up that great percentage of our g.d.p., then we're going to have to in some way make some decisions about what it is we're going to fund or not fund. let me also ask you this, do you think that congress-enacted policies that reduced medicare spending by $15 billion over the next 10 years will be sufficient to address medicare's financial crisis? >> no. >> no. ok. so i agree with you, and unfortunately there's a growing chorus from our congressional democrats to simply do nothing and wait for the so-called delivery reforms from their health care overhaul to take effect but c.b.o. estimates those policies -- >> and you can see all of this program later in our video library at c-span.org. the u.s. house is about to gavel in for legislative work. members will debate today a bill to change u.s. patent and trademark law. one

i do not take pictures of my untenable and send them to teenagers. i'd fight the media. that is my fetish. [laughter] over the last two years, i'd join something in in berkeley -- not in a bird life. i was asked to go to the first tea party on april 15 down in orange county. i went down there, not because -- i do not have a paul revere out that at home. or ben franklin garb. what am i going to talk about? that day, the mainstream media after eight years of supporting any anti-bush get together, whether they supported the anti- too stuff in seattle where people would break and through trash cans into starbucks, there was not an act by a protester that was not offended by the mainstream india as patriotic. for eight years, that is all that we got. and after 9/11 -- i mean, after the election of president obama, people who had a patriotic bumper stickers, who basically turned treason and sedition into something hit and rolling stone-y, this group of people said let's return to our founding principles, the constitution and fiscal responsibility, values that everyone in this

when we talked about it being untenable economically and politically.n washington today in two key hearings. admiral mullin will be on the hill. the first uniformed officer since the president spoke last night to come out in public and defend this strategy militarily. later today, general petraeus on the hill for his cia confirmation hearings, same topic, front and center. >> and talk to you first thing tomorrow morning to find out how it all played out. >>> president obama and you have justin bieber. a traffic jam today. >> what time? >> they are visiting at the same time. the president is scheduled to attend two fund-raisers in the big apple and bieber is expected to be launching an event for his new men's fragrance at macy's in harleds square. we know the president is in town and doing business and fund-raising business and taking possibly in a broadway show. they say the entire west side of the town is going to be crazy. >> first time i've seen the president of the united states and justin bieber in a split screen. does get your attention. >>> ahead

for them to say the status quo was untenable that is the line may hurt for quite some time.saw in s the broader regions of the world the factors were all there. h but what happens to have tunisia provided the initial spark with the high levels of unemployment and underemployment and the fact people live under thesh dictatorships this has been going on for such a long time. this is important not just about domestic policy arabs are angry the autocratic leaders lourdes to pro u.s. and reflecting their own preferences if you put that together it was a matter of time. >> maybe you can talk about your own views of technology and social media? >>a first of all,, and his right is not the internet caused revolution the people cause the revolution in those that did is what we talked about but it seems to me that the tools did matter in a way that is in different from what we have seen the past of other form of communications and technologies. they matter in a couple of different ways. one thing the speed with which the demonstration happens in one country and people throughout the mi

it is untenable and unworkable and i would hope that someone at doj would ask some questions of u.s. attorney's office in arizona. i cannot imagine that kind of working relationship where proffers are not allowed and subpoenas take six weeks to be approved. i would be hopeful that you would ask that. so you do not know when doj knew that firearms were going to mexico? >> no, sir. i personally do not. >> what is doj's policy on guns walking? >> the attorney general has made very clear that guns cannot walk to mexico. that is to say, guns, it is a violation of law for guns to be transported across the border to mexico. >> what is your definition of walking? >> that, as the committee's report made clear, is the subject of much discussion within atf and -- >> i'm asking about doj. >> i'm afraid i'm not in position to answer that question. i will say that it is -- >> but you would agree that saying that me physically handing someone who is a prohibited person a gun, that cannot be the only definition of walking. having knowledge that a gun is leaving your area of surveillance or jurisdict

it is untenable and unworkable and i would hope that someone at doj would ask some questions of u.s. attorney's office in arizona. i cannot imagine that kind of working relationship where proffers are not allowed and subpoenas take six weeks to be approved. i would be hopeful that you would ask that. so you do not know when doj knew that firearms were going to mexico? >> no, sir. i personally do not. >> what is doj's policy on guns walking? >> the attorney general has made very clear that guns cannot walk to mexico. that is to say, guns, it is a violation of law for guns to be transported across the border to mexico. >> what is your definition of walking? >> that, as the committee's report made clear, is the subject of much discussion within atf and -- >> i'm asking about doj. >> i'm afraid i'm not in position to answer that question. i will say that it is -- >> but you would agree that saying that me physically handing someone who is a prohibited person a gun, that cannot be the only definition of walking. having knowledge that a gun is leaving your area of surveillance or jurisdict