they support unlimited and untrackable money in politics and i don't have to tell you what that means to me. seriously, thanks to their work i don't have to tell you anything. i recently sat down with both of these advocates at different times and in different places. jim? >> first up sean parnell of the center for competitive politics. mr. parnell, thanks for sitting down with me today. >> glad to be here. thanks for having me on. >> stephen: should there be any limit on how much money corporations can give to influence our elections or to give directly to campaigns? >> i don't think so. money enables free speech. and if you are going to limit the ability of money to be spent to promote political speech are you necessarily limited political speech. >> stephen: i say if the founding fathers didn't want money in politics, why did they put their faces on our money? (laughter) >> that's a pretty good point. >> stephen: thank you. >> if you look at the first amendment it says freedom of speech. so we work to ensure that the first five words of the first amendment, congress shall make no l