you know the look, awful button down shirt worn untucked by -- untucked with jaynes and worn by guys. it is worn to a club or anywhere elsewhere dudes may meet some, to coin a phrase, chicks. as scott christian points out, the problem with going out shirts is you shouldn't have a going out sheeter. a man's wardrobe should be verse till. this is a brie -- brillent why, brilliant poimt. i think it coincides with men getting older and fatter. you don't see guys in their 20s wearing going out shirts. >> this is only a problem on the east coast and dallas. everywhere else people dress normally. like in california we wear flip-flops to the office, to weddings. we just wear clothes. we don't have a going out shirt. it is only an issue on the east coast and dallas. >> i don't think you have gone clubbing in l.a. recently. >> i don't do clubbing. >> if you did you would see how incorrect you are. >> no, people just wear their normal clothes in california. >> i disagree with you completely. i am ashamed to have you on on this panel. that's why the debate brings out the ugliness of the show. as

. >> when you leave the shirt out, does it have to be any shirt you leave untucked to look cool?is it a shirt with less tails than a normal shirt? >> well -- >> good question. >> well, the key -- and i'm not an expert on this. i've been doing it for years -- >> yes, you are. >> it has to fit, of course, and it has to be the correct length. that's the most important thing. and there's a tail issue to this. >> so he has his -- can you see? he has the tail out a little bit. >> well, it's more comfortable. >> right. >> well, i don't know. so you've got to -- >> you always do that. >> i've done it since -- i've done it for many years and i don't do it because, oh, it's in fashion. it was always more comfortable. and i think today comfort's critical and feeling who you are and natural about dressing. but there are rules and regulations we can go over that after hours. >> thank you. >> i'm going to unbuckle my pants then. >> please, don't. >> just to be comfortable. >> please don't. >> you said -- >> oh, hold on, i've got to ask. joe will help -- i think -- we've got to run. thank you,