particularly since there's nothing to unwipnd at this poin. the president would have to volunteer to dismantle everything that has been built up and even affirmed by the supreme court. republicans who have been calling me today say this is fantasy on the part of those like ted cruz who are making this push. >> peter, i think that david's word fantasy is great. sometimes the trigger to figure out what's going on, what would happen if something else happened? if the president were to give in and say you're right, we're going to kill obamacare, the one thing that puts me in the history books behind being the first african-american president, i'm going to kiss goodbye to. imagine the tumult on the left and center and saying has this guy lost it? is it a reasonable demand or are they dead set on a shutdown? >> they do seem set on a shutdown much some sort. to speak to their point of view, i think they think they're acting on principle, this is a principle stand against the obama health care program. having said that, the chances of the president ka