>> unwling to compromise and very problematic in taking the creditworthiness of the united states asostage unless they get what they want. it would be -- it wod not be the best outcome but it would be a fine outcome if we simply said we can't threaten not to pay our bills. we'readults. adults pay their bills. >> rose: iorder to get our y. >> -- and then extend the debt limit and then we can debate what the rht budget strategy for the country is. only one side in this debate is taking the united states' creditworthiness as a hostage. >> rose: if in fact the president has to capitulate to the republicans on this issue, in order to make sure this government does not go into default, the casualties will be, number one, a missed opportunity to deal with the deficit, your point; number two, a cut in the lel of human services that you and others believe are an essential part of the social contract this country has with its citizens, especially those o have earned entlements, ok; and thirdly, wha damage to the economy? >> alternatively, depending on what hypothetical agreement was reached, this ec