. >> in fact, that's called the upjohn warning today. can i say one thing for this audience that jill had two moments that the were her shining moments during the watergate trial, and this is of mitchell, ehrlichman, mardian, et cetera. one was her rosemary woods moment when she got her to do the rosemary stretch and showed the 18-minute cat. the other was that she cross-examined bob mardian. now, bob mardian was a department of justice guy. if you see a picture of him, he's a tough guy, hard-nailed guy. he was a little bit explosive in his personality. >> take away the little. >> so they put jill up to cross-examine him and she within a very short period of time got him angry, and he acted out, and it's part of the reason i think he got convicted. >> i think there's no question. and unlike rosemary where i took her as a witness based on timing, we actually did debate within the office whether i would cross-examine mardian because we knew of his explosive temper, and he was pretty generally disliked i think. to your credit, you find some