if you remember, uppal covid ve veto, a lot of the talk was surrounding biden, and i think this is what you might see in a post-presidency trump, ways he can inject himselvf into the headlines. >> what do you think of biden's handling of all of this? when you look at the goldilocks of responses, that's probably in the middle. does he need to increase the messaging, stay above it all or not respond at all? >> president-elect biden is focused on what he should be focused on, which is running the country and being the president. and i think we've actually forgotten that that is what we should be expecting from the president. we've conditioned ourselves now to be chasing president trump's tweet, to be trying to figure out where he stands on everything. but there's no sense in biden getting involved in it. it's going to roll out the way it's going to roll out. he's looking at personnel, at policy, at starting, hitting the ground running on day one. and i would love to see the republican party as a party be looking ahead and trying to figure out how they're actually going to govern. i think w