the house is getting ready to vote on the upton bill to allow americans to keep the plan. president said he will veto bill if it reaches the desk. we have a julie who is a democratic advisor and thank you for both being here. julie, let me start wuf. the president is not playing politics and wants to fix the things for americans that have cancellationlers. why is he threatening to veto the upton bill. >> i am not excusing the president's behavior because there is not any excuse. i don't think upton bill is the right solution. they will go back to the battle days and allow the old plans to be in effect. if you have a preexisting condition that excludes you and out of pocket cost that xoeds the cap they will stop covering and if you have cancer, they can throw you off of the roles, and so all of that his components in the upton bill that is not just in compliance with the rest of the affordable care act but what republicans say they don't like. >> it is more than that. it is purely politics that is identified in the wall street journal. republican fred upton's bill would allo

fix problems and make the law work, the republicans have brought up -- have brought forth this upton bill. mr. speaker, let me be very clear about this bill. it is an attempt to drag us back to the bad old days of the american health care system. it would allow insurance companies to go back to offering cut rate, shoddy policies that lack the consumer protections required by the affordable care act. so if you want to go back to a system where insurance companies could turn people away because they're sick, by all means, vote for this bill. if you want to go back to a time when women were charged higher rates than men because being a female counted as a pre-existing condition, then vote for the upton bill. if you want -- if you believe that insurers will be allowed to eliminate somebody's coverage because they get sick or older or have a child, then the upton bill is for you. in short, a vote for the upton bill is a vote in favor of everything the american people say they hate about the health care system in this country. yesterday in the rules committee, my friend, dr. burgess, made it ve

responsible for my constituents. >> and arizona democratic congressman ron barber who also voted for the upton bill told politico that obamacare is, quote: a huge bill. over 2,000 pages there are going to be unintended consequences. there are going to be things that don't work. i'm about fixing things that don't work. even before the vote the republicans predicted that the bill would pass with bipartisan support. democrats recognize that the president made a promise and he needs to keep that promise. he needs to keep his commitment, listen to the american people, and deliver on that promise. >> one democrat who did not support the upton bill says people should not read into too much into the 39 democrats who voted with the republicans. >> it means that, what, fewer than 10% of house democrats or 220% of house democrats didn't stay together. >> the white house says the upton bill goes too far because it allows them to sell plans that don't meet obamacare standards who did not have those plans previously. gregg? >> molly henneberg, thank you very much. a nasty outbreak of meningitis at an ivy league

up the bill does not say -- mr. upton: the bill does not say must sell. mr. mcdermott: the fact is they're going to have to put the policy out there. they've been work and implementing this law for three -- they've been working and implementing this law for three years and now six weeks before it actually begins to take effect, we run in here and say, wait a minute, wait a minute, you got to start selling policies like the ones that you sold last year. do you think they didn't think through what they're doing? i mean, i don't understand the free enterprise system -- i don't understand, the free enterprise system is lions and they're eating antelopes. i urge a no vote on this because you're going to create endless confusion in this country in the insurance market. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from michigan is recognized. mr. upton: i yield myself 15 seconds. the gentleman needs to read our bill. it doesn't say that the insurance companies must sell those policies. that may be in the senate bill, it's not in this bill

how many defectors on the democratic side of the aisle can we expect on the upton bill? >> well, yesterday that number would have been higher. since they have introduced the bill house democratic leadership aids are called landrieu light, which is the bill you mentioned allow states to go after bad insurers, keep plans for a year and no new enrollment as opposed to mary landrieu's plans which would allow these people to be in those plans indefinitely. it will probably bring down the number. as high as 60, the latest aide i spoke to said probably around 30 or so. it will be left to members in tough districts to make the decision for themselves for their 2014 prospects. that's really where a lot of anger comes from from house democrats, procedural bill on the house floor, alex. they feel the president sold them out for the 2014 election. they obviously know he's not running again. he needs to go a step further. a lot of folks say this is the time for outreach. does not communicate with congress, insular. people make fun having a barbecue, a tour of the oval office but means

>> well, not might he not, he won't let, excuse me the upton bill get to the floor of the house, the o way he would do that. in terms of the landrieu bill, that is a little tougher. at this point democratic leaders are saying no, that the administrative fix the president announced is enough. they're very worried. you bring this to the floor that opens it up for all kinds of tough votes, all kind of republican amendments, from the democratic point of view all kinds of mischief making. they will not support this at all. the own reason i have a caveat there, i think democratic leaders are waiting to see how much trouble these red state democrats are in, democrats facing re-election possibly in 2014. and you know, so they're leaving a little wiggle room whether they bring up the landrieu bill or some version of it, the upton bill, republican bill will pass the house today. no chance that gets to the senate floor. gregg: quickly, what do you have up on "fox news sunday"? >> we'll be all over this. we'll talk to top officials in washington and insurance industry, the latest where we stand o

it's called the upton bill. this proposal goes further than letting people simply keep their health insurance plans, it allows everyone to buy those cheaper, but significantly less comprehensive plans, something the administration says will essentially gut obama care. >> the legislative action that is proposed by the republicans through the upton bill is really a trojan horse. they're trying to just get in. their sole purpose for offering this amendment is not to help, it is not to fix the problem. it is to exploit the problem. >> the president will meet with ceos from the insurance industry later today to try to sort out what this means for them. some are asking if the problem really is fixed, because while the president is telling insurers they can reissue those cancelled policies, they don't have to. and states can also say no. in fact washington's insurance commissioner has already said his state will, quote, stay the course. let me bring in our company. anne kornblut, josh kraashar, good morning. >> good mo

upton's bill. the second thing that we have to do, though, is make sure that the insurance companies offer the plans for sale. it really does you no good at all if you have the right to buy a plan that the insurance company refuses to sell. mr. upton's bill is mute on that point. it might be called the insurance company's bill of rights. because they have the right to do or not do anything they choose. but the people that we all say that we want to protect really have no rights at all. this is an important distinguishing point in the plan that i'm offering now and i urge everyone to support. we have drawn from language offered by my friend from illinois, ms. schakowsky, which requires state insurance commissioners around this country to be vigilant protectors of consumers rather than corporate apologists for insurance companies. our plan says that if someone's cancellation was arbitrary and thoughtless and unfair, the insurance commissioner must act and protect the people that we heard read in thos

have to be response to believe the constituents. >> arizona democrat ron barbour voted for the upton billd politico that it's a huge bill, over 2,000 pages. there will be unintended consequences. there are going to be things that don't work. i'm about fixing things that don't work. before the vote, some republicans predicted the bill would pass with bipartisan support. >> the democrats recognize that the president made a promise, he needs to keep that promise. he needs to keep the commitment, listen to the miles per hour people. deliver on that promise. >> but one democrat who did not support the upton bill says the majority of the members of his party stayed with the president. and democratic leadership. >> this means that fewer than 10% of house democrat, 20% of the house democrats didn't stand together. >> the obama administration indicated that the president would likely veto the upton bill, if it were to get through the democratically controlled senate. because the upton bill allows insurance companies to sell plans that don't meet obamacare standards to people who do not have the pl

democrats joined, as you saw yesterday, republicans in passing the upton bill. the senate landrieu bill which would order insurers to offer exist plans in perpetuity. both bills undermine the central goal of obama care, of forcing healthy people on to the exchange plans that subsidize the sick. so is this what the president's false promise has wrought? >> the web site problems and the cancellations are two totally unrelated issues. i think the democrats are on the defense because the website has been such a disaster. two, because the president's promise, which he should have corrected the record a long time ago. three, i think because the white house has not done an effective enough job on the communications. the fact of the matter is, you can't get around this, for 97% of americans, there's no change in their current situation or they're going to get a much better deal. for 3% of americans, only 5% of americans buy their insurance through the individual marketplace. half of those are going to get a better deal now because of the way the law is structured. the 2%

you have the money you need to enjoy all of these years. ♪ stuart: the house is debating the fred upton billou like however we are hearing house democrats of come up with an alternative bill. rich edson is following both of these developments. what is the new democrat alternative? >> similar to the efforts democrats in the senate are pushing that the white house announced yesterday that allows you to keep your plan with certain conditions, the democrats say make the insurance plan better that you can keep. these are all ways to get democrats and republicans to vote for their version and by voting for that version procedurally in the house it would kill chairman fred upton's bill. a little political gamesmanship going on. >> the fred upton bills, the mary landrieu bill, no matter what it is all of those bills essentially take people, customers out of the exchanges and thereby disrupt the financing of obamacare at its core. >> absolutely. takes them out of the individual schools and put some back in a different set and changes the risk pools as it is known so that is correct. stuart: thanks fo

i mentioned the fred upton bill.ed upton is a republican congressman from michigan who proposed this, fred upton, republican congressman from michigan in a bill scheduled to be voted on and probably passed by the republican house tomorrow will allow people to keep their plans for one more year. so if it's a sinister plot by obama to protect democrats on 2014, republicans are in on that plot. >> is that true, sean? >> the difference is when you do it legislatively, correctly and by the constitution, all of those numbers have to take a vote and realizes what the president is potentially about to do because you're right, we don't know the details of what he's going put out would basically ensure that he he doesn't have to take the key votes and he would take cover by doing it unilaterally which is not constitutional. that's the difference. >> it's allowing them not to have to take those key votes that put them at odds with not only their words, but their previous votes that said obama care is the way to go. now they act

what was going to happen is they were going to pass the upton bill. then maybethe landrieu bill taken up in the senate. i don't think republicans should normally want to vote for a bill that forces health insurers to continue to stay in lines of business that held like to exit. it's a very heavy-handed federal government involvement in private city. this allows them to avoid doing something they probably didn't want to do. because basically their main policy guide star on health care is they're in favor of whatever the president opposes, they were moving in this direction of demanding a new health insurance regulation that the president didn't want. so this may save them from that. >> yeah, i mean, i think if you're watching washington from home right now and trying to figure out why this is such a big day in obama care news, you'd be forgiven for thinking that we were talking about something that might affect most people under the plan or half the people under the plan or a quarter of the people under the plan. i'm not diminishing the people who are a

history will judge, not by the number of computer errors but by the number of lives saved. >> the upton bill will not go on to senate, he's already indicated he would veto it. two are offering fixes to the health care bill. mary landrieu would require health insurance companies to continue offering existing plans indefinitely. a bill by udlall allows them to keep it through 2015. joining us now, bill nelson. >> hey, tamron. >> the developments out of the house, the president said he would veto this. it is not expected to be taken up by the senate. do you believe there needs to be legislative changes considering some of the factors right now or are the words of the president and his discussions with insurance executives enough at this point? >> his words are enough. my own state of florida administration has agreed to go along. there's an administrative problem because we're close to january the 1st that these insurance companies have to refile these old plans. but where there's a will, there's a way. and they will get it done and the old plans can be in effect as the president announced yest

the upton bill was a stern rebuke. a landrieu bill chastises the president and would take a swipe at the affordable care act in terms of enabling people to stay on certain plans that meet the requirements. the political fate of that bill is also an open question. it is not the upton bill. it is not as scary to democrats as the upton bill may have been. it is also a senate democrats are uneasy about the politics of people losing their health plan. host: host: are there any vague meetings heading into the week? guest: that they'll in particular is going to get a lot of attention on the senate will probably consider that in some form or another. the president tried to take it off the agenda with his own expert it does not have seem to have mollified everyone. we have not heard the last of the mary landrieu bill or others like it. host: let's try our first call from florida, independent, good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for c-span. i had my policy canceled. i am a senior citizen. i lost my mate november 8. he w

bill against the law. and bottom line they were calling on their members to vote no against the upton plan. saying they were in favor of strengthening the bill but not killing the law. there is a discussion going on. but there is a value decision that has been made in favor of the american people. that if we have to thread a needle, to get a result let's do that. but let's not unravel the whole sweater. >> pelosi and her leadership team said it could put them on cheaper policies. 39 democrats voted withl the republicans certainly a number higher than the democratic leadership would have liked. >> and of course lots of reaction pouring in right now. congresswoman is the chair of the house republican conference and she is my guest. good to see you congresswoman. >> you had this vote. were you surprised with how many democrats came onboard and now the fact that the president has announced that he is going to veto it? >> i do think it is important to realize that this bill had bipartisan support. yesterday the president proposed what i would call a political solution bowing to the pressure that

presumably you were not one of the 39 who abandoned the white house and voted in favor of fred upton's billity ultimate goal is to make more americans healthy, to get them to have the opportunity to afford for the first time in many of their lives the opportunity to own their own health insurance policy, to make sure women aren't discriminated against, children with pre-existing conditions not off the rolls. this will be a healthier america. i voted today to further that goal. >> at this stage, how disappointed are you and other democrats in the white house. this is a white house known for confidence, walk the line, take tough votes for them. now you're faced where the president was abjectly apologizing and admitting to major errors in the way it was sold and instruct urd. >> -- structured. >> the people who i feel sorry, people online to purchase and avail themselves of the tax credit to avail owning a health care policy possible. those had to deal with glitches. in the end the white house is committed to fixing problems. we are committed to seeing it through. in the end the biggest proble

it is not the upton bill. democratsas scary to as the upton bill may have been. it is a sign that democrats are uneasy about the politics of people losing their health plan. >> is there any big hearing or big meetings we should know about? >> i am not 100% sure from the docket. -- thethat that bill senate will consider that. some form or another. the president tried to take that off the agenda with his own fix but it does not seem to have mollified everyone. i think -- we have not heard the last of the landrieu bill. caller: thank you for c-span. i had my policy canceled. i am a senior citizen. i lost my mate november 8 and he was 16 years older than i am. i am going to be 82. he got canceled because of pre- existing diseases, but he went which i cannot praise. hold bunch off of my shoulders. after listening to the president and i had gotten a policy that was a much better than what they , those referrals, it took three weeks to get a referral. i that time the cancer had grown twice the size so i called the insurance company and told them i had listened to the pr

health and well-being of the american people. >> reporter: the president has threatened to veto the upton billthough it is not clear it would come up for a vote in the united states senate. bottom line, supporters of obamacare feel like this bill could destroy the health care law. jenna? jenna: very provocative on that point, mike. thank you very much. >> reporter: thank you. jon: well the fix that president obama proposes for millions of americans who are losing their health insurance seems simple enough. but there are proking questions over whether the president actually has the authority to let insurers bring back plans that obamacare has canceled. those questions are actually coming from both side of the aisle. even former democratic national committee chairman and presidential candidate howard dean is wondering whether the president's plan is legal. and he's a doctor. chief washington correspondent james rosen joins us live with more. james. >> reporter: jon, good afternoon. president obama spoke for nearly an hour yesterday in the james s brady briefing room but he never cited any partic

>> andrea, that's why the upton bill is unacceptable. what they want to do is set up two completely separate attacks. affordable care act and new people have insurance coverage that really isn't comprehensive coverage at all. the affordable care act's implementation accounted for actuarially you would have people who keep their plan if they like it, that's what president obama's propose did today, his administrative fix waiving that rule. as we go forward make sure we implement affordable care act. keep in mind, we've had people enjoying benefits of this law since 2010, where young adults can stay on their parents insurance until 26, women and seniors can get insurance without co-pay or deductible. those are the kinds of things republican are trying to take away and roll backwards on the quality affordable coverage they can get. >> surely you're hearing from your colleagues, the members, they are worried about the midterm elections. this is a real political problem. the president was clearly acknowledging that, talking about how people s

so that means why vote for fred upton's bill, for any bills, mr. president, you made this bed, now you've got to sleep in it. >> i agree with john and gavin who had said that the announcement is more about political coverage than insurance coverage. i think the american people will see through that. in a poll this week, americans two to one say this law will make their personality health care experience worse. yes, i think it's time for republicans to come out and say we need to repeal the law in its entirety. they have been saying that. they have been criticized for taking 40 votes that will repeal the law but those are 40 democrats that missed the opportunity to change this outcome. >> you guys are all going to stay, bob, hadley, robert. i'm going to talk about adverse connection and i see a financial imbalance that could bring down this entire insurance plan. >>> coming up, speaker john boehner says we've got to scrap obama care. we will talk to two top republicans about what kind of alternatives are possible. janet yellen makes no bones about i

the upton bill yesterday. which would allow americans to keep their health insurance plans even if the plans don't meet obama care standards. one california democrat who voted for the bill says he has to do what's best for his constituents back home. some house republicans say the problem is only going to get worse for democrats. >> when the employers start canceling their employer-based health care plans and putting those people in the exchange, it's going to get worse. the democrats own this law. it is a turkey. it is a lemon. and it is just a question of time before a lot of democrats wake up to that fact. >> the president launched a preemptive strike on thursday before this vote on the upton bill yesterday and says his administration is trying to fix the problem and allow people to keep their plans. he also talked about the disastrous rollout of obama care and the effect on democrats. >> i feel deeply responsible for making it harder for them to continue to promote the core values that led them to support t

the bill today, fred upton the republican bill says the same thing except one thing allow people who weren't cancelled who weren't part of that group they could buy into it if it's offered. >> that's right. >> the president said he would veto it why does he care? >> it's not just a one year fix because the whole -- the thing is that the fix that the president put forward yesterday actually could hurt the law. probably will hurt the law. because the whole idea of these substandard policies they have to be phased out to make the financing of obamacare work going forward. get away with it one year. their concern is if you do over a longer period of time the reforms don't make any sense. >> i can't figure out why the insurance companies would resurrect policies. under the new scheme they sell you a then brew buy a lot of things you don't need. overbuy. like buying a camera that you don't know how to work it but you pay all the money to buy all the other stuff you can't use. go back to reissuing the other policies they are more refined and cheaper. what's the incentive for the insurance c

the upton bill yesterday. which would allow americans to keep their health insurance plans even if those plans do not meet obamacare standards. one california democrat who sided with republicans and voted for the bill says democrats have to be flexible as the law takes effect. >> what we have to do is take the things that are working and continue to build off of that. but then we have to be open as a party for those things that aren't work to be ready to identify them and fix them and make them better. >> reporter: some house republicans say they expect to see more defections by democrats on future bills related to obamacare. >> when the employers start canceling their employer-based health care plans and putting those people in the exchanges, it's going to get worse. the democrats own this law. it is a turkey. it is a lemon and it is a question of time before a lot of democrats wake up to that fact. >> reporter: the president launched a preemptive strike on thursday and said his administration is trying to fix

said that he still wants to scrap the healthcare law, and speaker pelosi and others say that the upton bill is trying to. >> there's a sense that the white house doesn't fix anything either, so where do we stand. >> well, for insurance commissioners, we're hearing a variety of reactions. some are saying that they're not going to let the old policies be sold next year. and it's not just democrats versus republicans. but states that are okay with this, california, kentucky, just to give you some examples. republicans have concerns that the president's proposal doesn't change the law itself. here's what michael burgess from texas had to say about it this morning. >> can we really trust the administration that wrote this disastrous missive in the first place? and so mishandled the implementation? do we trust them to now fix it? do we trust them to now change their minds in two or three weeks' time when perhaps winds are blowing from a different direction? >> so as a reaction to that, democrats have their own proposal now, they're putting into law what the president has said he will do, and that

if the house passes the upton bill, which it's not clear there would be democratic support.also not clear that some conservatives will go along. but on the specifics of the upton bill, allows insurance companies to keep offering some of those shell plans that they've been offering before obama care passed. it means women can get charged more, it means it can discriminate against you for coverage based on preexisting conditions, all of these things, those are the plans that you're going to allow insurance companies to go back to. >> in oklahoma city, just in my area, that there are people who were involved in. >> if you pass upton, the premiums will go up. >> that's a fascinating -- wait, wait. that's a fascinating spin. i there was a president that used to say premiums would go down. >> most people they did. as soon as the website starts working. >> here's the issue, hopefully -- but the problem is the reality of what we're dealing with right now. i can take you to thousands of people in my district contacting my office saying this is what my premium was, this is two times h

today and all the debate that's taking place currently on the floor now about whether or not fred upton's bill in the house will move forward. this bill would dramatically gut the aca. democratic congressman jackie speier of san francisco joins me now. she serves on the oversight and government reform committee. congresswoman, as chuck todd put it, there was widespread panic among democrats in washington this week so not everybody is sold on the president's so-called fix that was given to us yesterday. the president is going to go to the well one more time to ask for the support of the democratic caucus. but is the well dry? >> no, absolutely not. the well is full of water, to use your analogy. the members that spoke up were concerned that they were hearing from constituents that wanted to keep their plans because the cost of adapting to a new plan was going to increase their premiums so much, so they had really low cost catastrophic care and they wanted to keep it. he made that commitment to the american people, we made that commitment to the american people so we're going forward and keeping

jay carney didn't have much to say about the upton bill but happy to spin the numbers and we reportedt here first. >> what we did not expect was that we would have the precise problem we had come october 1st. if we had expected that, we wouldn't have been promoting the launch of the website in the way we were. >> nbc's kristen welker, insurance company ceos just arrived for meeting with the president. what do we hear about that? >> just to put this into context, the administration has met with insurance ceos twice since the october 1st rollout of healthcare.gov. this third meeting hastily arranged underscores the level of anxiety amongst insurance ceos and insurance companies in the wake of president obama's announcement began yesterday. the level of questions, the number of questions they have about how specifically they are going to implement what he announced. of course, he said, look, if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. he's basically saying he's going to stick to the promise he made in the runup to selling his health care plan. insurance companies are say how specifica

gwen: the upton bill probably wouldn't pass the senate and if it did the president would veto it. >> not probably, it definitely wouldn't. gwen: it gave the republicans more ammunition. john boehner came out and talked in advance of the president about everything that was wrong with this. >> when it comes to obamacare, it's clear that the american people simply can't trust this white house. the white house said americans could trust them when they submitted their personal information that the website was tested and was secure. well, that hasn't happened. gwen: john boehner a couple of weeks ago was at the bottom of the pile after the government shutdown. now the republicans see a little daylight. >> a lot of daylight and one month tomorrow is when the government shutdown ended. girlfriend. is that all? >> things really hang in a hurry. the white house is hoping this will change in a hurry but probably not so fast. i had heard speaker boehner say similar things throughout the year but this time is different. the president, a failed website have ginn republicans a huge opening and toda

. >> arizona democratic congressman who voted for the upton bill said that obama care is a huge bill over 2,000 pages and there are going to be unintended consequences and things are not working and i am about fixing things that don't work. and the democrat from new jersey who voted against the upton bill, 80 percent of the democrats stayed together and stayed with the president on the house vote. harris? >> when the employers start to cancel -- >> that was obviously a technical error and molly and i are talking to each another. and we have 39 democrats in the house and six in the senate and republicans say they expect more democratic defection. >> as more of the obama care law gets implemented house republicans believe that the democrats will jump ship. >> when the employers start to cancel those plans and putting those people in the exchanges, it is going to get worse. the democrats own the law and it is it a turkey and lemon and a question of time before the democrats wake up to the fact. >> the upton bill faces a steep cloim. but if it were to get through, president obama would l

i do know that upton bill, if it went all the way through, it passed out of the house today. >> with 39 democrats for it. >> but i don't think it will go through senate. the problem with the upton bill is it is not just keeping the promise if you like your policy, you can keep it. if you like that other guy's policy that you had but you didn't have, you can go get that. that's a completely different promise. >> one of the thing i don't get is, you know, you say this is a socialistic takeover, a government takeover. the problem is that's just not true. it really is in fact the case, i'm from the left coast. from california. >> why is it failing so badly? the government tries to control the economy. look at the soviet union. >> now we're talking about the sew yet union? >> now, look, people on the left really want a single payer system. so even the left doesn't want obama care. they want single payer and we want a market driven patient centraled system. >> start over. right now, here's what we have. we have the plan that nixon wanted. we have the plan that night gingrich wanted, the he

but the upton bill, the upton bill is a very dangerous bill. you know what it does, it undermines the affordable care act. and it does so by disrupting the pool and expanding the market of people who can buy into these plans that people had grand fathered in. it's completely disruptive. i don't know how much republican support has. they are not one mind on the subject, either. we'll have a proposal for our members to vote on something on the floor tomorrow that addresses the problem, it is a fix, we don't have a likelihood of passage, we don't have a likelihood, we'll see what form it takes, we'll see what the rules committee allows us. we would love for them to give us an alternative. they aren't likely to do that. we'll exercise our parliamentary options tomorrow. think of a belt and suspenders. do any of you wear belts or suspenders? >> i wear a belt. [laughter] >> well, think of a belt and suspenders. what the president will put forth will be, one, and what we will do will be the other. but everything will be under control. after tomorrow a

my view of the upton bill, and my view of every republican bill i have seen, is that it does not go to fix the affordable care act, but to gut it. it should be understood in that regard. there are bills like mine and others that want to find a way to fix to this and keep the promise. it was an important promise that was made. people who have insurance, even though it is expensive and deductibles were high, even though most of these plans did not really cover much at all, it was their plans and if they want to keep it, they should be able to. i am very hopeful, if the affordable care act works as it should, that within a year or less, they will be able to find even better options on the exchange. but we made a promise and we need to keep it. >> many of your democratic colleagues have come out of the caucus and said, more needs to be done and we need legislation. you do not seem to be saying that. you said we may need legislation. >> no. you're not hearing correctly. that is your ears. i said the president's announcement this morning was a great first step and we will probably need legis

shortly before the vote michigan congressman fretted from upton, the bill's -- fred upton explained why it was important. >> if millions of americans want the choice to keep the insurance they currently have, why not? it is only an attempt to help the people harmed by this law. but if we can provide some relief to people from this disaster, why not? >> to some democrats the upton bill was the latest attempt to repeal the obamacare. or another effort to underpipeline the president. i'm joined by norman orn stein the author of it's even worse than it looks. good to have you with us norm. appreciate your time. you use heard congressman upton talk. why not? >> the whole idea of the affordable care act was to expand the risk pool bringing a lot more people, tens of millions of americans who have no insurance, in under an insurance web and protection. but to do that, you've got to get everybody, the sick, the healthy, together, into that pool. most americans are already there. i am. with the coverage provided by my employer. and if fact is, i've got very gows generous, extremely good coverage

bill is passed. >> reporter: by a 261-157 vote including 39 democrats supporting it, the house passed energy and commerce chairman fred upton's keep your health care act. >> our straightforward one-page bill says if you like your current coverage, you should be able to keep it. the president should heed his own advice and work with us, the congress, as the founders intended, not around the legislative process. >> reporter: in july only 22 democrats voted to delay the individual mandate. and 35 supported delaying the employer mandate. this time democratic leadership hoping to stop members from voting for the upton measure made several attempts at trying to defeat the bill. they expressed concern this was another attempt by the gop to kill obama care. >> this is a shell bill. in the end just let me say my friends should have some credibility. you introduce the 102 bills, you never put one of them on the floor for a vote. so don't pretend that you care about the american people's health care here. you're just trying to repeal the affordable care act. democrats are not going to let you do that. >> reporter: it's been a tense week

and it -- steny hoyer wasn't clear about whether he would vote for the upton bill.alking to one guy on the hill said you could get up to 100 democrats voting for the upton bill on the house. on the senate side the trickier. poll numbers evaporate. that's why jay carney today promised a fixed sooner rather than later because they understand that there is an incredible amount of interest in voting for something that gets these guys off the hook. i don't think it will necessarily succeed. i think the landrieu bill is probably illegal. but, the democrats need something to say we he were lied to too. >> here is the press secretary. >> the president actually admitted that he knew people would lose their plans, yet, he kept making this false promise, that somehow people could keep their plans if they liked them. >> i will stipulate what you might expect that i was not present for a conversation, what sounds like a private conversation between eric cantor and the president. what i can tell is you is like the rest of the house leadership, congressman cantor has worked overti

. >> the upton bill. >> the upton bill is a very dangerous bill. >> is not a good bill. >> john boehner has called the upton bill a targeted strike. >> what is unacceptable is what the republicans want to do. >> what is it that you want to do? >> scrap this law once and for all. >> we can't go back to the status quo. >> the website will get fixed. this will get better. >> it is going to work. >> the health care law has survived a lot. >> the bill is passed. >> well, wait a minute. wait a minute. >> it can be upheld. >> i am your father. >> the health care law has survived a lot. >> the mood among democrats has gone from nervous to panicked. >> is that it? is it over? is that your understanding? >> absolutely not. we've got to move forward on this. >>> president obama gave an emergency state of the union address today, which was all about the state of the affordable care act. nothing the president says in his next scheduled state of the union address will matter, if the problems he discussed today are not solved before then. >> we fumbled the rollout on this health care law. this is some

perhaps a shorter term fix because the upton bill is open ended. it's permanent, whereas the bill in the senate would be for a short period of time so he may try to do something that's more narrow and addresses other people's concerns, big policy changes have winners and losers and we're starting to see the first round of that now. and the reality is that there say big political implication here ask not just for the president, but for the people running for reelection and that's why we've seen some of these democrats, thinking about balog the white house because they're worried about 2014, but you've got the dnc chair, debbie wasserman schulze on the opposite side of the fence. >> you're darn right that our candidates will run on the advantage that obama care will be going into the 2014 election because the choice will be very clear. >> in response, karl rove, didi wrote today, republicans should play every night that democrats should take their delusional advice. who is right here? debbie wasserman schultz? we don't know. the white house feels fair