saturn, that's right and the other one is uranus, neptune, okay. rings, moons that have gotten too close and just simply got ripped apart, they are whole lot of boulders and they're just all spinning around. that's what they are. tidal forces can be enormous when you are very, very close to something because the difference in pull between near and far might be greater than the force with which everything is held together with. makes sense? so tidal forces don't occur too much for long, long distances but for short distances where the difference in pulls is a lot, the tidal forces can be enormous. we don't get the same depth of tide every day. some days, the tide is higher and lower than others and the reason for that is because both the moon and the sun are pulling at the same time. you see, if i have the moon pulling here and i have the sun out here pulling in the same direction, that's going to make these bulges even more. the sun contributes about 1/4 as much influence as the moon. i mean, it's still as big, okay? so when they're lined up, you g