urbani, infamous for his role in the bombing in buenos aires in '94 when 85 people were murdered and many more grievously injured. so, that policy continues. it's expanding. it's ongoing. it's well financed, sustained, and i see no signs that there is any change in approach. it is a policy that has been ongoing for over 30 years that relies on the social network -- >> and you're saying that it's expanding? >> it is expanding, yes, sir. it is expanding because it is making a conscious, sustained, well-funded effort to actually reach out not just to the local shia communities which are mainly syrian and lebanese, but it is actually reaching out to convert non-muslims to shia islam -- >> so you have the stream leader's surrogates there on the one hand and then in tandem with that you have hezbollah. >> correct. and what i see is that the hezbollah clerics are mainly focusing on the shia communities of arab immigrants of lebanese and syrian descent. the iranians are focusing on the outreach missionary effort, but they are combined, most of the time they are overlapping in the same mosque