urged world leaders at divorce to keep aiding ukraine. diplomatic editor james bay spoke with ursula vaughan de leon. shortly afterwards he started by asking what she thought would happen when the war started. the, i'll hoped that russia would be reasonable and not do with this invasion because we had prepared massive sanctions. and we couldn't imagine that you destroy your own country, russia by doing this invasion. well, it came differently as we know, and i must say the world is really impressed by the courage and at the stamina of the ukrainian people. and they have been amazing, amazing throughout this year. now, right now, the latest phase of this war, the last 3 months, has been very much a focus on the civilian infrastructure, bombarding the russians and bombarding civilians. i know you believe these a war crimes. there's this idea of a special tribunal to bring accountability. what do you make of that idea and how exactly would it work? well, i think this is, these are so atrocious war crimes that we witness. and that indeed it might call for special tribunal. and this shows that this is an