were you disappointed to hear the reaction of urszula von der leyen? about ukraine's entry somewhat ambiguous. perhaps you had been expecting more enthusiastic word about this. >> i think urszula von der leyen has shown herself a big fan of ukraine. she visited the ukrainian capital during the times when it was still dangerous to be near kyiv, and as far as i see, her statements, she is very much enthusiastic about what is going on, but we need to understand that ukraine doesn't need -- ukraine does need a common, rules-based process because it is also about rules inside ukraine. we in ukraine are fighting not only for liberation of our territories, but also for the corruption-free country in which, for example, judiciary will really ensure the rule of law. therefore, there should be a balance, i think. we should think about the fast entry of ukraine, but that does not mean it will be bypassing rules. the rules should be there, and these rules will benefit ukrainian citizens themselves. mark: thank you, sir, for joining us. hope to see you one day soon