we want to talk more about whether this is a good idea for tesla and its shareholders with us is david cite certtsy, is a board member of volvo cars phil just ended our part of the discussion by saying it's a win/win. would you agree here >> i don't know if it's good for tesla or not betsy could speak to that better what i like is they can do it. we don't have a bunch of people saying, no, we don't want people to be rich, we don't want lots of restrictions. well, this is a great american story, rolling the dice, there's a great chance he gets nothing, but if he performs, he gets a huge payout. we should applaud that i'm glad the board can do that and a ceo willing to take the same challenge. >> what's interesting about this plan, betsy, one elon musk is awarded stock, he's got to hold on to it to five years, so let's not get it up to this market cap or get these metrics up here and then i'm going to sell that stock. he's got to be a holder as well. s>> that's true, but he's being paid like a tech company ceo. >> what's wrong with that, betsy? >> well, you have to look at the metrics that would b