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also served as a senior adviser to the department of defence in the department of defence in the 0bama and trump administrations. very good to have all of you with us this issue. i want to start with you to talk about the president putin visit to china. we saw those very warm images of course and we saw xi jinping and president putin both saying that this is an important relationship and they are deepening the relationship as well. it doesn't look like mr xi really is taking much of the pressure from washington on board when you see those images. board when you see those ima . es. ., board when you see those imaaes. ., �* , board when you see those imaaes. ., h ., board when you see those imaaes. ., �*, ., images. no, he's not. in fact, ithink images. no, he's not. in fact, i think particularly _ images. no, he's not. in fact, i think particularly the - images. no, he's not. in fact, i think particularly the visit i i think particularly the visit to the harbin technology institute the two of them made was a deliberate rebuke to the us and antony blinken, the us secretary of state, who was just there in april and delivered a tough comment about all

now, my first guest is one of the world's top water security experts. he's led the us defence department'sask force on critical infrastructure, including water, and invented a product that draws potable water from the atmosphere. david stuckenberg, great to have you on the show. and david, let me start with this, because back in 2022, you said this and i quote, "the earth's fresh water supplies are running out of time." so, david, let's start with that. just how worrying is this picture? it's impossible to overstate the importance of our fresh water supply here on earth in terms of commerce and life. water is the economic potential energy of a nation. and since antiquity, humans have always counted on the water supply on the ground lakes, rivers, aquifers, streams. and yet those sources are running out. so it's important because of the amount of fresh water that we have available to us as humanity, approximately one quarter of a percent outside of the icecaps, that we begin looking at intelligent ways to not only utilise water, but how to get more water available to us. and david, we know

she also served as the senior adviser to the department of defence in both the 0bama and trump administrations. very good to have all of you with usth you to talk about the president putin visit to china. we saw those very warm images and we saw xi jinping we saw those very warm images and we saw xijinping and president putin both saying that this is an important relationship and that they are deepening the relationship as well. it does not look like mr she is really taking much of the pressure from washington on board when you see those images did know, he is not and i think the visit to harbin and the technology institute there, it was a deliberate rebuke to the united states and antony blinken, the us secretary of state was just there in april. he delivered a tough comment about all the technology help that china has been giving to russia in its war against ukraine. i think this was president xi's way of saying i am not about to be bullied by the united states. there were a lot of signals to that effect. michelle, what did you make of some of that symbolism and what michael referred to as the visit to harbin and the defence tec

includes navy, soldiers, their own airforce, etc, but in a bit of a cheeky response from them the taiwan defence department said also going to usery actively collect intelligence on the pla. so what they're saying is, look, if you think this is your dress rehearsalfor an invasion dress rehearsal for an invasion we're dress rehearsalfor an invasion we're going watch how you are going to do it and this will enable us to be ready if and when the real time comes for you to attack us. for mainland china this is really about pressure, political pressure. it comes just days after the swearing—in of taiwan's new president. there is all manner of legal pressure going on inside taiwan with protests outside the parliament, the governing party doesn't have control of the legislature anymore. and for the taiwanese government what they have to do is try and sort out this balancing act of being prepared enough militarily to try and fend off an attack from the pla, but also nice to anger the mainland too much to give them an excuse to actually do it. now, of course taiwan can never match the military power of the pla. but what they think they c

of the speech. tell us what we can expect. if they choose to spend more money on defence then it is likely going to have to come from other departmentstions about the extent to which that is an affordable commitment. we also expect rishi sunak to make the speech about him as an individual rather than his party. it is significant because it is her first among his first major outing since the terrible local election results just a couple of weeks ago. in that sense, trying to use this again to canterbury the tone. labour, as you say, are out around the country trying to talk about the impact that their new mayor that won in the local elections could have and damage under a labour government. their response to the speech so far before the speech is to say the conservatives can't fix the country because "they are the problem." as the prime minister rishi sunak has the prime minister rishi sunak has the power to respond to the hugely dangerous world as he sees it. it is unclear whether we will necessarily hear anything new today about his plans to respond but he is trying to tap in voters�* fears and set out a kind of vision for how the c

external contractor was used, where the vulnerabilities lie, whether or not other data for other government departments are also at risk, and just really kind of upping that defenceee with colin that china, you know, if it was incredibly friendly, i mean, if it was america, it might not spy on us. well, gosh, i find that i find that extraordinary, cindy, that you think rather than actually taking punitive action, we should just take defensive action. >> and again, i've got another fantastic quote from i think i forget the name, but it was an snp mp who talked about our sanctions last time is like turning up to a gunfight with a wooden spoon. i mean , it's wooden spoon. i mean, it's laughable. we have to find a way that that hurts china even if it huns that that hurts china even if it hurts ourselves. is that not the answer? because i suppose in a way china needs us economically as much as we need them. so perhaps that will be the only way to fire a warning shot, because then they will realise that their their economy will suffer and it is in decline , suffer and it is in decline, isn't it, con coughlin? >> well, it is , but i think >> well, it is, but i think cin