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do you use many of the index do you like manny? -- we -- do you use muni? do you like muni? class a friend was going to have a baby. she did not conceive of the money it would cost. >> there is no seat for you? >> if they are fall. >> what would your message be for the people who can make it free? >> i think it needs to be free. it is supposed to be free, because you can go to places and know where the place is. [applause] supervisor campos: thank you. let me read a few more names. mrs. chen, yushon banks, marisol bivac, theresa neighbor. >> [speaking spanish] >> good afternoon. my name is manuela, and i am a member of power. i ask that in honor of love and valentine's day you open authorize the test passes for youth. i ask that we think about -- if we really love our youth, make this free for youth. make transit free poor youth. it should not just be provided to the more low-income children. that creates a stigma for them. that is a type of racism. i wish for this day that the test passes be implemented not just for the next three months, but the we can have free transit fo
do you use many of the index do you like manny? -- we -- do you use muni? do you like muni? class a friend was going to have a baby. she did not conceive of the money it would cost. >> there is no seat for you? >> if they are fall. >> what would your message be for the people who can make it free? >> i think it needs to be free. it is supposed to be free, because you can go to places and know where the place is. [applause] supervisor campos: thank you. let me read a few...
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do a study. that is here. it looked at what is the impact that ced's are having an departments that use them and do not use them. if you will allow me, i am going to review the findings. this is from the national department of justice study, independent of the manufacturer. perf compared the experience is over seven years of law enforcement agencies that use conductive energy devices with agencies that do not use ced's, reviewing thousands of incidents. the study was supported by the national institute of justice research arm of the u.s. department of justice. the study showed that use of ced's is associated with a 70% reduction in the chances of an officer being injured, compared to agencies that do not use them. the odds of a suspect being injured are reduced by more than 40%. all in all, we found considerably strong effects in increasing the safety of officers and suspect's. not only are they associated with greater safety, but also within agencies, and in some cases the actual use by an officer is associated with a higher level of safety compared to incidents in which offers a ruse used other kinds of less
do a study. that is here. it looked at what is the impact that ced's are having an departments that use them and do not use them. if you will allow me, i am going to review the findings. this is from the national department of justice study, independent of the manufacturer. perf compared the experience is over seven years of law enforcement agencies that use conductive energy devices with agencies that do not use ced's, reviewing thousands of incidents. the study was supported by the national...
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but do all of us have to be there? hey can be informal, to the extent they do not have to be recorded. i do not want to hold things up because a quorum cannot be there. president mazzucco: we do not necessarily need a quorum. our expert is shaking his head. secretary reilly: do you want to ask the city attorney about the notice requirements? >> if you are going to have a quorum, you need 15 days notice. vice president marshall: that is what i am concerned about. >> if you want to expedite it, you might want less than a quorum. president mazzucco: lt. reilley ran the last police chief surgeon on his own and did not have a the suggestion would be maybe we should schedule with these three meetings -- and did thes/t a quorum.ings -- and did the suggestion would be maybe we should schedule these three meetings. let us pick some dates and schedule the first meeting as a quorum 15 days from today, 15 days from tomorrow, which is a thursday evening. secretary reilly: we could do that. we have to confirm that location and make s
but do all of us have to be there? hey can be informal, to the extent they do not have to be recorded. i do not want to hold things up because a quorum cannot be there. president mazzucco: we do not necessarily need a quorum. our expert is shaking his head. secretary reilly: do you want to ask the city attorney about the notice requirements? >> if you are going to have a quorum, you need 15 days notice. vice president marshall: that is what i am concerned about. >> if you want to...
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have to push back on this kind of hysteria on crime, and it takes leadership to do it -- it takes individuals, all of us, to do it as well, to put pressure on leaders, but it takes real leadership to do that. that is how i would put it together all in one place. >> in the vein of what is hopeful, and there is a reentry coordinating council in san francisco and also one in alameda county. what has been helpful to me is i think that overwhelmingly, we have this being tough on crime problem as opposed to being smart on crime, but i think that even in places where you would not expect it, people are starting to make the connection. for example, a lieutenant from the sheriff's department in alameda county is one of the most consistent and supported participants in the coordinating council for reentry in alameda county. i would say it is an unlikely ally, and i'm sure that we are lucky in his leadership and support. but i do think it is because they are starting to see the connection between services and opportunities for people after incarceration. and the outcomes, which are positive. in the same vein, my o
have to push back on this kind of hysteria on crime, and it takes leadership to do it -- it takes individuals, all of us, to do it as well, to put pressure on leaders, but it takes real leadership to do that. that is how i would put it together all in one place. >> in the vein of what is hopeful, and there is a reentry coordinating council in san francisco and also one in alameda county. what has been helpful to me is i think that overwhelmingly, we have this being tough on crime problem...
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any of us do that. in an era when native plants are valued, i think that it is something we should value and not look at getting rid of a place like hanc. it is not about the golden gate park mission and vision. i think it is a thinly veiled political attack on hanc as well as issues with homelessness. i urge you to keep the hanc recycling center and made a plant nursery. it is an important service to the center, and it is important to the community. thank you. supervisor mirkarimi: thank you. before the next speaker speaks, i want to read more names for people to file into the center aisle here. >> good morning, supervisors. i'm a third generation and have a tent, a resident of the haight. when he finishes talking, i want to thank supervisor mirkarimi. i want to thank you for your questions and your active mind, working through all these recycling statistics. it was very informative, and i have not heard any of those things before. i want to say three things, and i have heard this because we have had o
any of us do that. in an era when native plants are valued, i think that it is something we should value and not look at getting rid of a place like hanc. it is not about the golden gate park mission and vision. i think it is a thinly veiled political attack on hanc as well as issues with homelessness. i urge you to keep the hanc recycling center and made a plant nursery. it is an important service to the center, and it is important to the community. thank you. supervisor mirkarimi: thank you....
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us. unfortunately. do you expect you will be able to change this situation we've talked to the u.s. diplomats on the we are waiting now for the business of the u.s. and nobody else. they sponsor very lection can paint. the vision part in the state will realize it's a mission. and will explain to the u.s. schools and community and it is done it long time ago that the reasons are national law which we all of a. culture should not be a host in such circumstances we send our exhibitions only to the countries which give a hundred percent guarantee they will reach a connection. when we speak about italy and spain always give such guarantees. as well as pass to connive that's why there are no pretensions in. my last question about the system of education. my child goes to school and as a parent i have certain apprehensions as to was going on there and usual secondary school school i recently read an article in a newspaper that said there's the threat of several large schools being closed in moscow. can you tell us about the situation of arts education in the russian arts education among th
us. unfortunately. do you expect you will be able to change this situation we've talked to the u.s. diplomats on the we are waiting now for the business of the u.s. and nobody else. they sponsor very lection can paint. the vision part in the state will realize it's a mission. and will explain to the u.s. schools and community and it is done it long time ago that the reasons are national law which we all of a. culture should not be a host in such circumstances we send our exhibitions only to the...
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one is, do people actually use it? people can make a checklist, and if you make the checklist, you start putting every single thing on there and you bring it to the team and nobody uses it, or you don't use it yourself. that is not useful or good. the second sign is if the checklist and up distracting people from the job they need to be doing -- if it ends up distracting people from the job they need to do. it is paying attention. does it help you get better results? tavis: is it your belief that as a society we are getting better embracing the notion of using checklists to get things done and done right? >> i can watch the news and become depressed almost every day. when you see the oil rig disaster that happened, for example, in the gulf, what shocked me was they did not have a plan in place for how to deal with a fire erupting that allowed a team of people who never faced before to say, here are the top five things we have to accomplish. we see that over and over again. and yet there are places, like watching what h
one is, do people actually use it? people can make a checklist, and if you make the checklist, you start putting every single thing on there and you bring it to the team and nobody uses it, or you don't use it yourself. that is not useful or good. the second sign is if the checklist and up distracting people from the job they need to be doing -- if it ends up distracting people from the job they need to do. it is paying attention. does it help you get better results? tavis: is it your belief...
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and how to use those words it's always been a secret to me. better ask them what they like best do you really ask them or do you decide on your own what we. receive from italy. is it your request from them do you have tools we ask you what we are interested in and they order from you yes they order from us do they ask people or make balls. judging but. this way officials gathered to discuss what to order i think of the mechanism so less complicated they also have the bass we have we can satisfy all their requests. for the best to you and the qualities equal. few words about languages russian italian and spanish they are an indispensable part of culture just because he has does a language constitute part of the cultural exchange. so we've italy we've arranged a year of the russian language and culture where the language is a part of the we. will arrange a contest for the best interpreter try to address translations from russian into sally and and from italian into russian or the issues of languages and communication of very important but i watched all the three languages russian spa
and how to use those words it's always been a secret to me. better ask them what they like best do you really ask them or do you decide on your own what we. receive from italy. is it your request from them do you have tools we ask you what we are interested in and they order from you yes they order from us do they ask people or make balls. judging but. this way officials gathered to discuss what to order i think of the mechanism so less complicated they also have the bass we have we can satisfy...
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while most youth who use, do use alcohol, marijuana runs a pretty close second with high use in marijuana. but probably the most rapidly growing segment of new use is in the prescription drug area with high increasing numbers of new users coming into the system who've used prescription drugs and normally getting it from a relative or from friends. and inhalants may be a problem as well? inhalants is a problem at younger ages more so than at the older ages. we see a higher use of inhalants with the 13- to 17-year-olds than with the 18- to 24-year-old. and the challenge with inhalants is that they're more readily available. they're in the homes, so. gateway-type drug to using other things, eventually. monique, what are some of the factors that really place a youth at risk? well i think factors that place the youth at risk for using substances include underlying mental health issues. i think that environmental factors play an important role if they're in a community that is highly supportive of use. maybe at home there's using going on. i think that those are some really big contributing fac
while most youth who use, do use alcohol, marijuana runs a pretty close second with high use in marijuana. but probably the most rapidly growing segment of new use is in the prescription drug area with high increasing numbers of new users coming into the system who've used prescription drugs and normally getting it from a relative or from friends. and inhalants may be a problem as well? inhalants is a problem at younger ages more so than at the older ages. we see a higher use of inhalants with...
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us. i think you guys would be stupid to vote for this. why do i say that? it is obvious in this room that most of us in the community oppose tasers. if we are the ones who pay the salaries of the cops, how would you vote on something that goes against the interest of the people? [applause] obviously, expert testimony has not supported that the taser is the way to
us. i think you guys would be stupid to vote for this. why do i say that? it is obvious in this room that most of us in the community oppose tasers. if we are the ones who pay the salaries of the cops, how would you vote on something that goes against the interest of the people? [applause] obviously, expert testimony has not supported that the taser is the way to
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do tonight is very analytical. i am asking for professionalism. i am asking for people to come forward from the field to give us examples of what they think is appropriate. we're going to do a risk analysis tonight. this has to be without emotion. in has to be very analytical. we have to do what is best for the community and best for the officers. commissioner hammer and i have looked at the proposal tonight. going through it, we are at the end point to suggest an amendment to this. this is not about tasers. we are going to ask the police department also look at any other non-lethal weapon that our department can use, not just tasers, but other weapons. there has been some talk about an sl6. we're going to amend the language to add, in asking for the department to evaluate and investigate other methods, to return back to this commission in 30 days with a recommendation, whether it is conducted energy devices or an sl6, or another weapon, or a combination thereof. we are going to ask that two commissioners be assigned to this task. i have asked commissioner slaughter to be one of them. i am about to ask commissi
do tonight is very analytical. i am asking for professionalism. i am asking for people to come forward from the field to give us examples of what they think is appropriate. we're going to do a risk analysis tonight. this has to be without emotion. in has to be very analytical. we have to do what is best for the community and best for the officers. commissioner hammer and i have looked at the proposal tonight. going through it, we are at the end point to suggest an amendment to this. this is not...
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problem we don't have any problems in communicating with foreign nationals interpreters help us do that we don't have a shortage of this in moscow but generally we don't draw any divisions between foreigners and russian citizens police treat foreigners the same as they do russian nationals. it says are a lot is being said about modernization this in fact is presently dredges go prison has recently suggested renaming militia force as the police force what do you think about that why do it what's going to change except for the name. them for some of my attitude to this initiative is normal i think that there's some concrete meaning behind this renaming it means transition to new standards of service and new standards of attitude to people i knew model of relationship between law enforcement bodies and citizens runs like a golden thread through this law in my view it's a transition from the dominant model that has existed all the z. is to model of partnership and respect by citizens this law lays down a totally different context and stand. them up with until it's quick how long will it tak
problem we don't have any problems in communicating with foreign nationals interpreters help us do that we don't have a shortage of this in moscow but generally we don't draw any divisions between foreigners and russian citizens police treat foreigners the same as they do russian nationals. it says are a lot is being said about modernization this in fact is presently dredges go prison has recently suggested renaming militia force as the police force what do you think about that why do it what's...
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kiet do shows us the key component that fixies lack that makes them illegal to ride. >> reporter: theyre called six-gear bikes or sixies and they have been pedaling under the radar until now. a 61-year-old woman was crossing the street last week. the light turned red before she got to the curb. that's when a rider on a sixie weaving through traffic crashed into her at full speed. she is now recovering in hospital. the bike was confiscated by police because it didn't have brakes because it is illegal. >> is this technically breaking the law? >> i do have a form of breaking. >> reporter: by law the bikes must be sold with brakes but most sixie riders take them off saying it clutters up the look of the bike and they don't need them. >> i have a mechanism of braking. i could probably brake just as fast as that brake would. if we were to race down here i could brake just as good as you. >> this is very, very counter intuitive. >> wow. >> sixies are not like normal bikes. when you stop pedaling the pedals keep spinning. pedal backwards and the wheels go backward. here at this bike shop they
kiet do shows us the key component that fixies lack that makes them illegal to ride. >> reporter: theyre called six-gear bikes or sixies and they have been pedaling under the radar until now. a 61-year-old woman was crossing the street last week. the light turned red before she got to the curb. that's when a rider on a sixie weaving through traffic crashed into her at full speed. she is now recovering in hospital. the bike was confiscated by police because it didn't have brakes because it...
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the world around them, especially in helping those most in need because that is what christ called us to do. and the weight in which those things are done, the means used to do them will change, since 1853 but never the less those are the tasks catholics then were engaged in. >> you are the 8th archbishop of san francisco and installed almost exactly 5 years ago. what are your thoughts now after five years? >> well, very grateful coming here and meeting the people i have met especially the people who help me day in and day out the pastors, the women religious, the deacons and their wives, the lay ministers, the many many thousands of lay ministers and i think it is in working with them, that the archbishop accomplishes what he accomplishes, they are the ones who i like to say make the music. i compare the archbishop to the conductor of the symphony. the only person on the stage not trying to make any sound but trying to harmonize all those signs together. i draw on their talents, their zeal. the efforts they put forth and i think that is really what continues the life of the church. >> when
the world around them, especially in helping those most in need because that is what christ called us to do. and the weight in which those things are done, the means used to do them will change, since 1853 but never the less those are the tasks catholics then were engaged in. >> you are the 8th archbishop of san francisco and installed almost exactly 5 years ago. what are your thoughts now after five years? >> well, very grateful coming here and meeting the people i have met...
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it is where they used to do their printing. obviously, they have now taken a smaller footprint that things have evolved. their challenge, how do we make this the next media technology campus and involve where the markets are going? we took a different approach to 5m, and did user research process and used some and ecological study around innovation. what makes san francisco unique in how it provides for an innovative environment, both culturally and also in terms of the amount of start-ups that come out of san francisco, why that is happening -- large companies in the ,too, and understanding the dynamics behind that. that helped us to place tenants into the next generation in how you think about the innovation campus. we use the existing states in a founder of the economy to populate the vacant buildings with those tenants. it was incredibly successful from a market perspective, from a community building perspective, showed our ability to partner with much smaller organizations that grow program and communities in different way
it is where they used to do their printing. obviously, they have now taken a smaller footprint that things have evolved. their challenge, how do we make this the next media technology campus and involve where the markets are going? we took a different approach to 5m, and did user research process and used some and ecological study around innovation. what makes san francisco unique in how it provides for an innovative environment, both culturally and also in terms of the amount of start-ups that...
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are those funds being used? do people know about it? is it getting exhausted very fast in terms of year? that is $63,000 a year, i assume. >> i do not really manage the fund, but we have -- anyway. the funds are available to use. it is managed by and the community-based organizations. they provide our reach. they actually do know some of the people that need help, and i think what i'll probably instruct my inspectors later on is that when they find cases to aps, if they know that is not a client that will be able to comply, that may need help, that they refer them to a community- based organization who does this. we have the central city collaborative, and those who have permission. i think that is an improvement. >> it is hard to know whether it is sufficient or insufficient if we do not know how it is being used. my second question is -- commissioner walker: maybe we get here from the sro collaborative at some point. commissioner mar: my second question is for the regulations you have passing out to the tenants. are those in multiple l
are those funds being used? do people know about it? is it getting exhausted very fast in terms of year? that is $63,000 a year, i assume. >> i do not really manage the fund, but we have -- anyway. the funds are available to use. it is managed by and the community-based organizations. they provide our reach. they actually do know some of the people that need help, and i think what i'll probably instruct my inspectors later on is that when they find cases to aps, if they know that is not a...
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do you want from them at this point? >> i think if there's anything specific that the board would like us to revisit, recognizing that if we -- we decide not to do something, we have to add something else on that we wouldn't do -- unless we want to increase the -- if the budget goal is fixed that we have to reduce six buses. if we decide there's something proposed that you're not comfortable with us doing for 2011, we would like you to also at the same time tell us what we should consider instead. because -- that would make it possible for us to -- to end go. >> i'm going it start with my right with commissioner maufas. it is your time for each one of you to shine. commissioner maufas: i think my one question and i'm trying to piece it all together about treasure island and it is in combination of -- i understand the ways we're outreaching to parents and how they provide feedback, again as i expressed earlier around language, these -- these are great ways for -- for very traditional sort of outreach. i think we're going to have to device something else, in particular for treasure island. it -- it is just the nature of --
do you want from them at this point? >> i think if there's anything specific that the board would like us to revisit, recognizing that if we -- we decide not to do something, we have to add something else on that we wouldn't do -- unless we want to increase the -- if the budget goal is fixed that we have to reduce six buses. if we decide there's something proposed that you're not comfortable with us doing for 2011, we would like you to also at the same time tell us what we should consider...
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and what we want to do is add to this wonderful amenity and restore this coastal bluff area and respect its military history and the doyle drive project is allowing us to do that recorrection. and this area is not splintered off. >> and we can see how dramatic a change it will be when doyle drive is suppressd and you have a cover that connects the cemetery to this project. it's historic on the statewide and national basis, but you could rush the project or put thought and time to create something of lasting public benefit. >> we really want this, for everyone to feel like it's a win situation. whether you are a neighbor that lives nearby or a commuter or user of the park. that everyone will experience a much better situation than they currently have. >> the human interest to me is how people could work out so many challenging differences to come to a design that we believe will give us a jewel. landmark of a place. >> i am sure it will have refining effect like embark did. and there were people about that and no one would think of that today. and when you look at growth and transformation of the embark, the same with doyle. it will be a cherished pa
and what we want to do is add to this wonderful amenity and restore this coastal bluff area and respect its military history and the doyle drive project is allowing us to do that recorrection. and this area is not splintered off. >> and we can see how dramatic a change it will be when doyle drive is suppressd and you have a cover that connects the cemetery to this project. it's historic on the statewide and national basis, but you could rush the project or put thought and time to create...
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use more weapons. it is just what people do. i think bringing more weapons into this situation is in no way going to deescalate anything. we need to try using a different method first. i have two minutes. i am going to use them. we were playing been go downstairs. what did we have left that nobody setbacks -- nobody said? did anybody get been kodak's 3, 2, 1 -- get bingo? three, two, one. thank you. >> i am the president of [unintelligible] and a member of numerous other organizations. you have heard various arguments here tonight, but we also need to look to the moral issues. the effect of the matter is it is obvious when somebody gets hit with a taser the become agitated and it leads to escalation. the fact of the matter is that tasers are mainly used against homeless people, the mentally ill, and the poor. these are people who need help, not torture. i say torture because as amnesty international states, it is a torture device. a fundamental question we need to ask in san francisco -- do we want to be regarded as the torturers
use more weapons. it is just what people do. i think bringing more weapons into this situation is in no way going to deescalate anything. we need to try using a different method first. i have two minutes. i am going to use them. we were playing been go downstairs. what did we have left that nobody setbacks -- nobody said? did anybody get been kodak's 3, 2, 1 -- get bingo? three, two, one. thank you. >> i am the president of [unintelligible] and a member of numerous other organizations....
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us. i think you guys would be stupid to vote for this. why do i say that? it is obvious in this room that most of us in the community oppose tasers. if we are the ones who pay the salaries of the cops, how would you vote on something that goes against the interest of the people? [applause] obviously, expert testimony has not supported that the taser is the way to go. until we see statistics and expert testimony, i do not see how we can allow our police department, on top of guns, to carry this device. we saw what happened with johannes. i am from massachusetts. there, he would have been put away for 20 years at least. but for the best interest of the public. we say no. [applause] >> hello, commissioners. my name is patricia ferrel. i am 59 years old. i love san francisco pd. i called and san francisco's finest. i lived 20 years in atlanta, georgia. i prefer a cattle prod. >> my name is nick pasquerello. i testified a year ago against tasers. you voted them down. i hope you will do that again. one of the major reasons you voted them down a year ago was becaus
us. i think you guys would be stupid to vote for this. why do i say that? it is obvious in this room that most of us in the community oppose tasers. if we are the ones who pay the salaries of the cops, how would you vote on something that goes against the interest of the people? [applause] obviously, expert testimony has not supported that the taser is the way to go. until we see statistics and expert testimony, i do not see how we can allow our police department, on top of guns, to carry this...
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and what we want to do is add to this wonderful amenity and restore this coastal bluff area and respect its military history and the doyle drive project is allowing us to do that recorrection. and this area is not splintered off. >> and we can see how dramatic a change it will be when doyle drive is suppressd and you have a cover that connects the cemetery to this project. it's historic on the statewide and national basis, but you could rush the project or put thought and time to create something of lasting public benefit. >> we really want this, for everyone to feel like it's a win situation. whether you are a neighbor that lives nearby or a commuter or user of the park.
and what we want to do is add to this wonderful amenity and restore this coastal bluff area and respect its military history and the doyle drive project is allowing us to do that recorrection. and this area is not splintered off. >> and we can see how dramatic a change it will be when doyle drive is suppressd and you have a cover that connects the cemetery to this project. it's historic on the statewide and national basis, but you could rush the project or put thought and time to create...
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use the center because i do not wish to use my blue band. i would rather donate the materials to the organization for all of the good that they do. many of those uses were referred to earlier by others, i will not reiterate them out. the idea of a machine for bottles and cans is absurd to me, as other people pointed out. those are not the material steps the state -- those are not just the only materials that the center takes. items that other people can take back our very important. as a professional gardener, and must reiterate that this is a bad site for a community garden. the conversion process alone is one thing, but the side has for sunlight coming in, there are tree issues -- it is a very poor site and i am sure that there are much preferred sites. i guess that is the primary thing i would like to mention. supervisor mirkarimi: after this speaker, we will close public comment unless someone absolutely needs to make a comment. >> good afternoon, supervisors. my name is dennis [unintelligible] and i want to extend congratulations to you
use the center because i do not wish to use my blue band. i would rather donate the materials to the organization for all of the good that they do. many of those uses were referred to earlier by others, i will not reiterate them out. the idea of a machine for bottles and cans is absurd to me, as other people pointed out. those are not the material steps the state -- those are not just the only materials that the center takes. items that other people can take back our very important. as a...